(Demonic)>btw discussing res limits with pred atm, decision has been made, will inform shortly. :Demonic: wow, that was the fastest rioting ever :Demonic: thanks! (Demonic)>depends on the decision tho lol :) but i promised you we would discuss it, and i have. (Demonic)>We have :Demonic: talk to squad captains and older players (Demonic)>again we have (Demonic)>not all, but some :Demonic: fair enough. :Demonic:I know where myth, riverside, myself, drow, apok, racka, cres, etc fall :Demonic: shouldn't be a hard decision (Demonic)>also another change for twd coming soon :P (Demonic)>from a poll that was put up, re: squad caps.. no decision yet tho :Demonic: ill check it out :Demonic:if its a roster cap thats a trade off id make for a res cap even though it wont work :P (Demonic)>ok decision is up. :Demonic: well now I guess I will start rioting to reduce lag limits to 150 1.0 1.0 (Demonic)>ooo good point, ill discuss lag limits with pred now too, any suggestions? :Demonic: I would like to see the list of people and captains you talked to to get this decision :Demonic:yes, if tw assumes that a majority of the players can play on 1900 resoltion they also assume people have the money to buy a real connection (Demonic)>thats not so bad actually :Demonic: yeah, the problem is that about 30% of the euros won't be able to play anymore, but assuming 60% of TW can't play on 1900 resolution :Demonic: I think thats a fair tradeoff (Demonic)>well we may go somewhere inbetween your suggestions and current limits :Demonic: would love to see logs of the discussion that went on :Demonic: and who was talked to as far as players and caps, :Demonic: mind posting? (Demonic)>heh was just chatting via pm to players so cant say i logged it, it was to get a general feeling :Demonic: you logged the conversation with pred :Demonic: post that log. :Demonic: or its not too late to copy/paste it (Demonic)>that i cant do, not yet anyhow unless i edit 70% of it, due to some of the things being discussed right now :Demonic: editing stuff out of messages isn't hard (Demonic)>lol i know, but defeats what your asking for doesnt it? :Demonic: not really, just leave the things relevant to resolution limits in twd (Demonic)>so all you want is who the peeps were that was spoken to? :Demonic: sure, a list of people who you talked to, if they were for or against, and the conversation that took place to actually discuss it :Demonic: that way we know it was legitimately discussed, and we can see the squad captains and older players who were talked to (Demonic)>ok ill have to ask them if they are happy to discuss, since some of your "pro" players may not be voting the way you :Demonic: because.. I know a majority of captains and older players that I have personally talked to want a resolution cap. :Demonic: I would think that by basically voting to make a decision on this game that there isn't really any privacy (Demonic)>obviously 1 i can tell you was systole cap who voted in favour of res cap, but can only say that due to being my squad. :Demonic: well doesn't that fall into the realm of.. a biased decision :Demonic: since you play on a high res and are a member of his squad? :Demonic: and are a part of making the decision. (Demonic)>not really, since i am 1 player, not the team :Demonic: still. :Demonic: you play for him (Demonic)>ok another play i got permission from was curse: who voted in favour, in fact would quit if we decreased :Demonic: and.. what if me, mythril, riverside will quit? :Demonic: and cres and drow? (Demonic)>well thats 4 players which is unfortunate, but, as i said, damned if you do, damned if you dont (Demonic)>and myth wont quit :Demonic: this is ridiculous (Demonic)>and btw, no-one else has spoke to me about res limits being reduced except for you, which is a shame if they so against it :/ :Demonic: you talked to curse.. about something that changes things in warbird (Demonic)>i spoke to who was online at the time :Demonic: and value that over the opinion over people who have warbirded forever :Demonic: right, well ill be posting this conversation I had with you (Demonic)>um i have also warbirded forever :Demonic: which I am in the process of doing right now. :Demonic: so afk a few (Demonic)>lol thats fine, i have no issues with that :Demonic: you should, it shows obvious bias. (Demonic)>not really :) i have been completely honest :P nothing on there i would need to hide from :Demonic: if you didn't have anything to hide you would post the conversation you had with upper staff, and give out the list of people you talked to :Demonic: because if its people like Curse then it is retarded (Demonic)>lol why is curse's opinion not valid :) he plays wb too :Demonic: it is less valid than people who are actual warbirds (Demonic)>no its not (Demonic)>and thats dumb to think otherwise, everyone has an equal opinion :Demonic: that isn't true. (Demonic)>thats like saying mine is worth more then yours as i have warbird and played for longer :Demonic: if everyone had an equal opinion the res cap would be re-added since there is a poll that players voted on to keep a res cap (Demonic)>a poll that a few forum players voted on :Demonic: or you would make it a public poll instead of having a speech with predator (Demonic)>not whole of tw :Demonic: the people who post on the forums are the majority of active players in twd (Demonic)>heh not really, very few pub players or plenty of twd players (since this is twd we are discussing) use forums as its claimed its just a place to troll :Demonic: over 200 people voted on that poll, thats a majority of twd :Demonic: a large majority (Demonic)>not to mention i was also told that you have been telling ppl "you could play on higher res, monitor allows it, just too lazy to change" :Demonic: you are right, I could but not everyone can (Demonic)>would be interesting to find out who actually cant go above res limits :Demonic: that is why dropping lag limits to below the level where a majority of people can play on won't happen (Demonic)>now who wants ir or not :Demonic: well why don't you ask curse if he can and make a decision with predator :Demonic: hell probably threaten to quit the game ----- (PredatoR_FNM)>I am here, you have an issue with resolution limits, i gotcha. :PredatoR_FNM: I have several issues with how the decision came to be and resolution limits :PredatoR_FNM:There is ample evidence on the forums that it gives players a decisive advantage in a league that is supposed to be competitive. (PredatoR_FNM)>shoot, but be real accurate becouse I dont see eny reason to go back in time with resolutions. (PredatoR_FNM)>which divisions you think this affects? :PredatoR_FNM: It nearly doubles the pixels that a player can see :PredatoR_FNM: it majorly affects warbirds and slightly less javs and base :PredatoR_FNM: Let me explain something to you about playing someone on 1280x1024 who is on 1900 resolution. :PredatoR_FNM: They can see your ship on screen, when you can only see them on radar :PredatoR_FNM: you have to aim blindly at them while they can see which way you are faced and which way you are more likely to dodge, also if you have just shot :PredatoR_FNM: do you not see how huge of an advantage that is? :PredatoR_FNM: demonic talked to people like Curse (who happens to be his squad captain) who don't understand how big of an advantage this is (PredatoR_FNM)>I play on 1900 resolution and I played on 1280 for long time, but thats really past now for everyone since monitors aint "17 enymore. Why would we want to go back in time if we want to progress in this game? :PredatoR_FNM: Ok, well if thats the case, everyone should have cable modems by now so reduce lag limits to 150ms and 1.5 and 1.5 :PredatoR_FNM: right? Next belim is starting. Last round's winner was Lorko (7:4)! Type ?go Baseelim to play 3:jaa> loool :PredatoR_FNM: this is a 15 year old game, it isn't supposed to be based on who has the best monitor or the best connection, its supposed to be about as far as possible competition :PredatoR_FNM: so either fix the lag limits that let players like dak and brokenfist play, or recap the resolution limits (PredatoR_FNM)>we should follow our time thought and not live in the past :PredatoR_FNM: right, so drop lag limits drastically :PredatoR_FNM: you can't win this argument, because unless 90% of players can play on 1900 resolution you are not making decisions based on this games majority (PredatoR_FNM)>excuse me, lag limits are different story my man, can we stick in resolution issue or what? I am investigating lag issues at the moment also, with many other things but its hard to do all together. :PredatoR_FNM: and the fact that both you and demonic both play on 1900 resolution makes it even more biased. :PredatoR_FNM: how is it a different story, you claim we need 1900 resolution to stay in line with technology, but we can have people playing twd with 280ms? :PredatoR_FNM: its the EXACT same agument (PredatoR_FNM)>I dont know, im thinking of lowering them thought :PredatoR_FNM: to what, enough where everyone still gets to play right? :PredatoR_FNM: you aren't going to make all the laggy euros stop playing even though there is technology that lets most players play under 100ms? (PredatoR_FNM)>btw, slow down. I cant keep up really since english isnt my main language. :PredatoR_FNM: do you think its fair that two people who both play on 1900 resolution, and one person who warbirds whose only proof that he talked to anyone was "curse said he would quit" (PredatoR_FNM)>I am not thinking of european players when I think of lag limits at the moment, I think all euros can stay under 200ms, but those who it affects mostly is those who play from australia or brazil :PredatoR_FNM: should make the decision for all the warbirds in twd? (PredatoR_FNM)>what resolution you play at? :PredatoR_FNM: right, so is it ok to discriminate against players for lag, if not then it isn't ok to discriminate against players without monitors capable of playing on 1900 :PredatoR_FNM: I play on 1280x1024, the maximum resoltion for the last 7 years. (PredatoR_FNM)>which resolution you could be playing at? :PredatoR_FNM: something higher (PredatoR_FNM)>tell me :PredatoR_FNM: let me check :PredatoR_FNM: actually I thought I could :PredatoR_FNM: but 1280x1024 is the most I can play at :PredatoR_FNM: and I have a 19" lcd :PredatoR_FNM: 19" sony lcd, a good monitor actually. :PredatoR_FNM: are you saying because I won't go buy a new monitor that someone should be able to shoot at my ship on screen while I am aiming as a blue dot on a radar? (PredatoR_FNM)>so if we check, we will see you havent ever been over 1280 res? :) :PredatoR_FNM: yes. :PredatoR_FNM: I have never played on a higher res :PredatoR_FNM: that still doesn't answer the question. :PredatoR_FNM: Everyone in this game can play fairly on 1280x1024 and 1440x900 for regular/widescreen :PredatoR_FNM: not everyone can play fairly if they can only play on those two resolutions and other people can play on 1900 :PredatoR_FNM: you should make it so after the final twd reset the res cap comes back into play, because that is qualifications for TWL (PredatoR_FNM)>so 7 years you have had 1280? :PredatoR_FNM: and everyone should be on the same level. :PredatoR_FNM: since I started playing I have been on either 1280 or the default resoltion which is lower. yes. (PredatoR_FNM)>that was when everybody had 800x600, was it fair then that you could see on 1280? :PredatoR_FNM: 1280 has always been a resolution :PredatoR_FNM: there was never 800x600 only on computers that could access the internet :PredatoR_FNM: so thats a null argument. (PredatoR_FNM)>I had 1900 resolutions years ago on big CRT monitor, its been here years. :PredatoR_FNM: so? :PredatoR_FNM: I don't get your point, yes we both agree some people can play on 1900 resolution :PredatoR_FNM: but not everyone can, which makes it less about competition and more about money Next automated tournament is starting. Last round's winner was Unknown warrior~! Type ?go tourny to play All league bots will be restarting momentarily. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience. -TWStaff :PredatoR_FNM: Why do you think they ban steroids from sports :PredatoR_FNM: it gives players unfair advantages :PredatoR_FNM: they want sports just like we want tw to be an equal playing field for everyone :PredatoR_FNM: which means lag limits that everyone can reasonably play in, and resolution limits that everyone can reasonably play in. :PredatoR_FNM: Look, every warbird besides 2-3 that I have talked to that are older players, have lots of experience in this zone, agrees that a higher res gives players an unfair advantage (PredatoR_FNM)>lets come to an conclusion, make a poll to forums about TWDD resolution limitation, becouse im not touching javs or base now. Lets see how many opposes and how many is against, fair deal? (PredatoR_FNM)>but lets not make it biased in eny way :PredatoR_FNM: will we both agree to live by the poll results after a week? :PredatoR_FNM: and do what they say? :PredatoR_FNM: i will stop bringing it up if people vote to not have a res cap :PredatoR_FNM: and you will change it if they do want a res cap in twdd :PredatoR_FNM: and neither of us will go around telling people to vote for yes or no :PredatoR_FNM: just that the poll is up :PredatoR_FNM: deal? (PredatoR_FNM)>I agree what players of twd wants to do, im not here to supress the activity, hell im here just for you guys, if you guys wont think im doing good for twd I will leave my position. :PredatoR_FNM: it isn't that, I just don't think that you really understand the advantage it gives certain players, especially in warbird. Next elim is starting. Last round's winner was Got Skill??? (1:0)! Type ?go Elim to play :PredatoR_FNM: and getting your information from Demonic who plays warbird on a high res seems biased. :PredatoR_FNM: but ill make the poll and I will only tell people to go vote, I won't try to convince them at all (PredatoR_FNM)>alright thanks!