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    Following the success of Basing Cup and TWDT 2018, Warbird and Javelin cup continue draft league format to fill weekends with competitive games.


    Considering this cup only needs 5 players to be fielded per team the roster cap could be lower than in Basing Cup or TWDT therefore enabling possibility for 8-10 teams depending how many players are willing to cap.

    We could look towards having two different kind of game formats in this cup:

    Thursdays

    During week many players have limited show rate but in general there are players around for games. WB & Javelin cup could focus on activating lower rated (newer) players during week by using star limitations that allow more lower star players to play. This also gives more focus to captains to select balanced team with pro players as well as using newer potential.

    Star limits: 1x 9-10 star, 1x 8-star, 3x 7-6 star




    Sundays
    During weekends and mainly Sundays it seems that we can maximize player amounts therefore we could use more TWDT like star limits for Sunday games and make them more focused on pro players of the zone.

    Star limits: 2x 9-10 star, 1x 8-star, 1x 7-star, 1x 6-star

    This Warbird & Javelin cup would focus on activating both layers of players we have in the zone, newer players during the week and focus on veterans during weekends. Maximizing and activating as many players as possible gives them incentive and sense of belonging meaning they stay logged on and have more interest towards competitive gaming, it also puts focus on veteran captains to pick balanced teams and focus on low-star players too as they would be required to field them during weekday games.


    If required, weekday and Sunday games can have different kind of scoring system given different level of players playing in games. For example weekday games could reward 0.5 points for victory while Sunday games reward full 1 point. However suggesting that it would be more beneficial and give more incentive to captains if we reward the games equally 1 point for each victory either during week or weekend.


    At the end of the season 4 best teams from Warbird and Javelin ladder play in play-offs and cup concludes to finals between the two best teams. Play-offs and finals will be best of 3, normal games best of one.

  • #2
    Stop using black text on a black background you monster.

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    • #3
      Also stop killing basing you monster.

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      • #4
        Although I think it's now perfect time to do a squad based league, if you are going to do another draft immediately, why not do separate draft/teams for each type?

        One player who signups for all 3 could get drafted on 3 different teams. That way no final nail in the coffin for basing, but you still get to have 8-10 teams for dueling, while basers get 4-6. Would also give more options for cap selection, because more people are competent in at least 1 league and it's less demanding.

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        • #5
          Is this 'draft' thing really the only league you can think of? There are other ways to get even almost every involved. With this teams of 10 it will be another bench celebration for the people who get a higher rating than they should be. Why not make a big 4v4 league and let everyone make their own team. Yes, there will be some uneven teams if you look towards ratings etc. But that can be fixed. You could seperate the 'high rated' teams and the 'low rated' teams into groups. They could both play their own league. I understand that many we all want fair competition, but I also think it should be made possible that high star players get their competitive games like they had in TWL. And yes, TWDT isnt that high quality, you always have these low star players who make teams unbalanced. It will be a festival of which captain spots the best low star rating.

          I even see enough players asking for TWEL or that 2v2 league. Why not get into that? No... We have stick with this drafting... Enough people only game during the week. Why not make it an option that these teams can schedule their own match? If it aint working, they have to play on sunday. Simple..
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          • #6
            If you're going to set something up as a marquee event like a Sunday matchday would be then why not go for broke on that day and put in tighter restrictions. Because it says 6 OR 7 star on the Thursday matches, which lets be honest probably means the 7* get the go ahead in most cases. Taking into account activity, picks, and skewed ratings, if things averaged towards a two 7*, one 6* match I think that's pretty good, and is very possible. But you can't just assume this is what will happen so I'm just letting you know ahead of time that the 6* strata is not going to be happy. Also don't assume that newer players only can be rated 6* or even 7*.. in TWDT, M_M God was rated a 6 in wb and played a few games because of that fact. They weren't rushing and crushing like some other goons out there but they weren't dying for free either, provided support fire, etc. I thought M_M God was a very OP 6* and not at all new to the game either.

            Honestly it gives me an idea for how to do ratings. Clearly one of the best indicators for skill is if you won shit on this game..so if you get a certain championship you get a certain rating. 5 star could be fresh, new, 6 star could be pub destroyer, 7* is good duelist, but never won or competed, 8* is runner up in whatever the league chosen, 9* is a champion in say TWDT, 10* is champion in multiple seasons. Could have modifiers for being away from the game for a while, if you won multiple championships but were a small part, you could have a modifier to that bringing you down to something like a 7 potentially. And if you won in one league it makes you an 8 in the rest. I'm not sure if that's a good system but there needs to be a way to create like, a baseline, from which our opinions can be built on. Maybe we need some super long math formula that enters all your statistics for all your games played, analyzes it all, and tells you your rating.
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            • #7
              Goal should be to make the game as active as possible, there are not even a handful of new players playing this game. It is much much more realistic to hope old returning players could get back into the game because of X league than some new player from steam.

              10 teams should be the goal, its going to be hard to get the captains for it though. Maybe start bribing people with donation money or find another way to incentivize.

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              • #8
                I feel like the supposed pro players need an audience or something. Like why can't we have two separate divisions (experienced and '''''new''''''''''' let's say) that maybe even play at different times.. why do we always need to compete for the same spots. I'm a huge fan of Ogron and effort he's put into the game, and I hope this doesn't seem like an insult because he is a good terr and player, but if I have to watch him in either warbird or jav again I'll probably be done with "competitive" no offense. It was funny the first time but he got played every single game, on top of playing this game a lot anyway. And he's still just average/below average. I showed up to support my team and maybe play if I'm needed (only begged when we're down a round in the finals, what can go wrong by switching it up? they already beat your main line up) but it feels like I, and others, are just there to be spectators. This is just my opinion only but I'm tired of showing up to mediocre games and not being able to play. Either show me a great game that is worth my time to watch, or let me practice these team game modes with other players. Don't recruit a bunch of people then bench them just so they can watch trash.
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                • #9
                  Another way of saying how I'm feeling might be,

                  Show me a game with some of the best players. I will watch and the players will have a fan in me. But if you're going to have some pretense for including newer players then why not actually implement something? Why does it have to be some mixed, half-ass conglomerate of shitty and good? Are there not enough good players to make a game? Wonder why. Could it be that we drove off of anyone with even a single iota of honorable competition within them away with countless scandals handled by the same people competing, and so on. No, of course not. This new league that is in no way different than the last league will definitely change that, though.
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                  • #10
                    As a spectator, I don't get to watch the best games possible, and as a player, I don't get an opportunity to play. You try to satisfy both worlds and the end result is bad. Also it stifles activity because its the same people playing. But the people playing aren't necessarily the best either, from a vertical and horizontal ratings standpoint. Why shouldn't there be a game filled with the top players only (I'm aware that there are so few active remaining that the skill gap would probably be very wide). Can we really expect to flock to the zone overnight when there are blatant fouls seemingly every season. I didn't follow every season with a microscope to be fair so I can't really name off who did and didn't ever play in finals but if you look at other games there are very few complaints about in-game issues. These game companies realize that a key part of creating a competitive game is the appearance of integrity. A game with the rules we had last season doesn't become a competitive game. The game itself probably doesn't even become a competitive game (seriously every game should be recorded in every way possible..) but that's fixable, even if it means making a SS 1.5 you could say, or 1.99 since Continuum is supposed to be a .5.

                    You guys have lives, great, obviously nothing here should effect that. So why not use your limited time you can devote to brainstorm better ideas that make the future work more efficient. Instead we're sitting here like we're in a bad acid trip "WHAT ARE THE RULES, MAN, WHAT. ARE. THE. RULEEESSSSSS. when the answer is simple and waiting to be acknowledged. Find ways to get community input (and actually implement the good ideas!), dedicate yourselves to making the fairest competition possible not because we're not hippies anymore, man, but because that's what brings in all the yuppie tryhards I'm telling you. Have to create a culture and habit and appearance of integrity because that's what brings in, and keeps, the kind of players you want (good and competitive).
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                    • #11
                      I like Henry and all but let's be real. There's a physical barrier preventing him from getting within 1000 km of me with any sort of flame or ignited substances. He's probably HelloKitty. He doesn't say anything because you'll immediately recognize his low IQ and he is aware of it. This guy gets his ass fucked.
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                      • #12
                        Why is there no start and finish date released for this idea??? We need something right now to focus on or VERY soon. This is why I was very surprised TSL is being ignored. TSL is set and ready to go right now and all we need is a schedule so games are not overkill / too numerous , like they were in the past, no caps needed and it creates activity. Do a cup on the side or something but if this is anything like the TWD promised league that never happened or the last twd cup it is going to be a nightmare fail. TSL is proven to create activity.. please start a new TSL season and if you want figure out this idea as TSL goes, have at it. This seems very experimental and vague so far and has me very concerned. The DSB and EG players who signed up and didn't get to play twdt deserve a totally inclusive league which TSL will provide.


                        Hate to be a nervous nelly but I see zero chance of 10 caps and squads being formed and this being a success. Hope I'm wrong but...…. lol... I cud be a cap if you are all dead set for this. Just curious if this is Henry's idea only or was there group consensus for this? If it can work great but...… TSL and twd squad league wud be better.. just my opinion.
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                        • #13
                          I Appreciate the work going into this but honestly im kinda sick of 5v5, im sick of Star ratings because they cause arguments (twice a year for twdt is enough), i'd really much rather see TWEL make a return or someone finish up plans for the 2v2 tournament that never happened. Restart the next elim season, let TWD run, and maybe TWEL, that is more than enough untill a fall twdt. Assembly lining tournaments is not a good idea. Basing cup worked because people can't ?go base anymore so it wasn't over done. But please someone say otherwise if you dont think this is the case.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Henry Saari View Post
                            Following the success of Basing Cup and TWDT 2018, Warbird and Javelin cup continue draft league format to fill weekends with competitive games.


                            Considering this cup only needs 5 players to be fielded per team the roster cap could be lower than in Basing Cup or TWDT therefore enabling possibility for 8-10 teams depending how many players are willing to cap.

                            We could look towards having two different kind of game formats in this cup:

                            Thursdays

                            During week many players have limited show rate but in general there are players around for games. WB & Javelin cup could focus on activating lower rated (newer) players during week by using star limitations that allow more lower star players to play. This also gives more focus to captains to select balanced team with pro players as well as using newer potential.

                            Star limits: 1x 9-10 star, 1x 8-star, 3x 7-6 star




                            Sundays
                            During weekends and mainly Sundays it seems that we can maximize player amounts therefore we could use more TWDT like star limits for Sunday games and make them more focused on pro players of the zone.

                            Star limits: 2x 9-10 star, 1x 8-star, 1x 7-star, 1x 6-star

                            This Warbird & Javelin cup would focus on activating both layers of players we have in the zone, newer players during the week and focus on veterans during weekends. Maximizing and activating as many players as possible gives them incentive and sense of belonging meaning they stay logged on and have more interest towards competitive gaming, it also puts focus on veteran captains to pick balanced teams and focus on low-star players too as they would be required to field them during weekday games.


                            If required, weekday and Sunday games can have different kind of scoring system given different level of players playing in games. For example weekday games could reward 0.5 points for victory while Sunday games reward full 1 point. However suggesting that it would be more beneficial and give more incentive to captains if we reward the games equally 1 point for each victory either during week or weekend.


                            At the end of the season 4 best teams from Warbird and Javelin ladder play in play-offs and cup concludes to finals between the two best teams. Play-offs and finals will be best of 3, normal games best of one.
                            Lets go GReen!
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                            • #15
                              Quotes are white background. So green on white isn't readable either.
                              Really the only thing that works is to leave the default text colour.
                              Or I guess to remove all themes so everyone's using the same one, but I don't want a white forum glaring at me while my other screen is black (ss).

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