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  • #16
    There's no good reason at least TSL in off-season mode isn't run when nothing else is going on, except elim maybe. It's easy as fk to do, what motives does Henry have to not allow it?! But actually shouldn't need TSL if TWD was the focus not some shitty base-killing version of twdt...
    Last edited by skyforger; 09-25-2018, 01:17 PM.

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    • #17
      All Henry needs to do is reboot TWD. That's it. Qan and Wirah already are on board for the fixes to ratings, game after points (no more activity bonuses) and resetting ladders properly (setting squads to 0 rather than erasing them all). We could have finals like we saw in Henry's Season 2 or w/e the fuck it's called and all that needs to be done for those to be successful is to allow borrowing. Not hard.

      Apparently Vice agreed that borrows are sometimes needed and is willing to allow them to keep people who showed up to do what they showed up to do; PLAY. We saw this in TWDT. Only reason Henry's stupid league failed was because he was a dumb cunt and wouldn't allow Potenza, Ill and others who were missing 1-2 people to borrow people. I was on ILL, had been for 8 days or someshit but the rules stated that you needed to be on 10 days before, so when we were down 1 person, instead of allowing me to play, Henry allowed us to forfeit like a reckless fucktard wasting our day/time.

      Then instead of owning up to why that shit failed (him being powerhungry and an assbaby), he decided it was a total lost cause and saw no reason to do another Season. Guy is a fucking joke.

      Bottom line, screw TSL, no one wants to see Jessup/Alextron triple crown that joke league because they are the only active people. Reboot TWD so people from all corners will want to play TW. Fuck your cups, your half assed twdt knockoffs and using every league Ogron makes like it's yours and the success from them are owed to you. Stop pushing your weight around just to show people your the boss of some stupid fucking game by making up dumbshit that no one asked for, just listen to us and give us TWD you lousy cunt.

      -Grasps(ixa)

      PS: Suuuuuuu papi Zid and my man Skyforger. Miss u. $$$$$

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      • #18
        Originally posted by zidane View Post
        My advice would be to start tsl right now. Run it every second day with specific times where the games are played. This requires close to 0 staff work so no excuses.

        In the mean time you can try to pick up captains/signups to gauge interest in the cups. Personally if i was involved in staff I would try to get ZHs to cap leagues, your going to zone help this game a lot more as a captain than you will pretending you're doing something in pub.

        Maybe reset twd ladder and get rid of these terrible ratings and remove points in a loss. I wouldn't do a twd cup though since it'll flop. Twd is meant to drive activity not be a competitive league.
        Bump THIS ^

        Skyforger said
        There's no good reason at least TSL in off-season mode isn't run when nothing else is going on, except elim maybe. It's easy as fk to do, what motives does Henry have to not allow it?! But actually shouldn't need TSL if TWD was the focus not some shitty base-killing version of twdt...
        Bump THIS ^

        Grasps said
        Bottom line, screw TSL, no one wants to see Jessup/Alextron triple crown that joke league because they are the only active people.
        Fuck off for THIS ^ Dunno why you think you can just throw my name and Alextrons out to dis TSL. Don't whine about inactivity and trash TSL with our names used as an argument against it. Bitch move dude......We would both slap you in ratings if TSL goes. TSL is what is needed and your idea relying on twd reset to improve activity will not work in any immediate fix for zone activity. I do support a reset though for TWD now but want TSL to fill in the gaps.


        Jessup said this 3 days ago and no serious reply was made so I repost here to concur with Zidane and skyforger
        I think we should start TSL right now to get something going on. If we can do 3 days a week Tues 6 PM EST, Thursday 8PM EST and Sunday 4:00 PM EST and do 6 to 9 games each date (2 or 3 in each division per TSL day) This could get things going right now. Work on cup or twd league as the TSL season goes which can give the needed time it will take for a new league with captains ect.. plus the logistics. It is just too much work for any immediate result. So this is my suggestion. I agree this inactivity is quite detrimental to motivation . It is a grave yard the last 7 days. We have bots loaded in system ready to go and hosts willing right now to start a TSL ladder. My idea is none of this marathon TSL stuff too.. just 6-9 games each day 3 times a week. Simple.. We could start on Tuesday this week if the will is there.
        It is Tuesday and we could be playing TSL but obviously that is not going to happen today.. but please lets do this ASAP
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        • #19
          TWD def way to go, except I'm not sold on reverting back to losses for points. Gonna make underdog C-class lineups sit out instead of taking a shot. Imo the current points setup and current borrowing enabled are key to decent TWD action that a wide audience loves. Want as much TWD games to play in going as possible when I log on.

          With that cave eat def like Grasps ideas. Guy has spark to do stuff for zone which he has shown by the hours he put in for our entertainment. After a season of TWD whatever, we can def do another TWDT and it won't feel like yesterdays leftovers then.

          EDIT: also since for Henry setting up TWD will be rocket science so not immediate, then use TSL inbetween as a better javduel/base/etc to be running during peak times to keep players in the habit of logging on while the preparations are made.
          Last edited by skyforger; 09-25-2018, 05:51 PM.

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          • #20
            Hey Mr.Saari, what ya gonna do? What ya gonna do? MAKE OUR DREAMS COME TRuE
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            • #21
              For record I appreciate grasps vid posts and do not hate you grasps.. I've actually said you should be part of league coordination recently to staffers.. I just had to call you out for using me and alex's name like that. TSL is not a bad league and I think it would be better doing it as I mentioned above in quote... I got to stand up for myself tho.. k.. pc out
              TWDT-J CHAMPION POWER 2018
              TWDT-B CHAMPION POWER 2018
              TWDT TRIPLE CROWN MEMBER POWER 2018
              TSL TRIPLE CROWN FINALIST 2018
              TSLD CHAMPION 2018
              TSLB CHAMPION 2018

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Grasps View Post
                All Henry needs to do is reboot TWD. That's it. Qan and Wirah already are on board for the fixes to ratings, game after points (no more activity bonuses) and resetting ladders properly (setting squads to 0 rather than erasing them all). We could have finals like we saw in Henry's Season 2 or w/e the fuck it's called and all that needs to be done for those to be successful is to allow borrowing. Not hard.

                Apparently Vice agreed that borrows are sometimes needed and is willing to allow them to keep people who showed up to do what they showed up to do; PLAY. We saw this in TWDT. Only reason Henry's stupid league failed was because he was a dumb cunt and wouldn't allow Potenza, Ill and others who were missing 1-2 people to borrow people. I was on ILL, had been for 8 days or someshit but the rules stated that you needed to be on 10 days before, so when we were down 1 person, instead of allowing me to play, Henry allowed us to forfeit like a reckless fucktard wasting our day/time.

                Then instead of owning up to why that shit failed (him being powerhungry and an assbaby), he decided it was a total lost cause and saw no reason to do another Season. Guy is a fucking joke.

                Bottom line, screw TSL, no one wants to see Jessup/Alextron triple crown that joke league because they are the only active people. Reboot TWD so people from all corners will want to play TW. Fuck your cups, your half assed twdt knockoffs and using every league Ogron makes like it's yours and the success from them are owed to you. Stop pushing your weight around just to show people your the boss of some stupid fucking game by making up dumbshit that no one asked for, just listen to us and give us TWD you lousy cunt.

                -Grasps(ixa)

                PS: Suuuuuuu papi Zid and my man Skyforger. Miss u. $$$$$

                Meh.. I dont think anyone really cares about TWD. Its not like it matters whoever is on top or on the bottom. Its just about playing games. TSL is the same imo, but it has scheduled games. Neither of these will get people playing again I think. Yea.. Maybe like some basers who wanted to base, but if I may speak for the people of Envy, none of us is interested in TSL nor TWD. The lack of quality in those games is terrible.
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                • #23
                  TSL sounds fun, let's do that. I just want to play something other than pub

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                  • #24
                    I agree with Major this game along with Henry Saari is complete and utter dogshit dumpster juice...
                    Geio> Down to chill and play that
                    Best> rather log off and attempt to suck my own d

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                    • #25
                      The problem with league planning is that pretty much nobody has any interest in doing it. If you'd like to see one reason why, just take a read through this thread (or any number of leagues threads over the years). At the end of the day, a lot of people are afraid of opening themselves up to ridicule. Especially on the internet, which is srs bsns.

                      We're still looking at options ... It's moved slower than desired, as unfortunately, leagues group has recently become quite thin. Whether it's quitting because it's not fun (it's really not), for being axed from staff due to inactivity, or because the spirit rather than the letter of the rule was enforced in TWDT. (I can understand all of those.) Or -- not quitting, but just being busy IRL and being unable to contribute. That one's all too common.

                      We're all too busy being adults, it's the absolute worst job in TW due to myriad toxic personalities, and nobody's getting paid for it. Would be kind of interesting if we paid someone around $500/mo to do leagues planning so they could count it as part of their employment and take it seriously. As it stands it's done whenever there's a free minute. Even worse, many people working on it also have other staff duties to attend to. It all takes a ridiculous amount of time, and few people want to put that in, or deal with the endless monotonous details that accompany it.

                      We're looking right now at a TWD reset, and perhaps a pivot to a revised TSL with a short season that doesn't rely much on activity, with some other tweaks. Looking at a rhythm along the lines of a lighter league (or two) giving some breathing room for a more prestigious one later. Dueling Cup may have to move to the back-burner; it's time may not yet have come, and it's possible it may never come. Probably the case with 30% of league plans. So it goes.

                      Sorry to keep you guys in the dark, but it's an absolute skeleton crew. The skeletons could always use some company if you've got the guts to embrace derision and humiliation at the hands of your fellow spaceships. Any takers?
                      "You're a gentleman," they used to say to him. "You shouldn't have gone murdering people with a hatchet; that's no occupation for a gentleman."
                      -Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment

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                      • #26
                        I've seen some excellent volunteers in this thread wiling to help/share the burden of running leagues
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by qan View Post
                          The problem with league planning is that pretty much nobody has any interest in doing it.
                          That's not true. I've seen people being interested and capable of providing value, but ultimately end up quitting. Starting from Rab and myself and to Geio. Why do people lose that spark that made them care in the first place? IMO it has to do not only with it being a largely thankless job but also internally fked up more than it needs to be. Having to run everything through Henry Saari first to have any chance of getting something through only to get the classic "we'll see, afk smoke" zzz ignored. Fk that.

                          Really hope Grasps or Jessup or whoever with new energy accepts qan's invitation. But to not make them also end up disillusioned, I would really suggest to take a critical look at Henry Saari at the Group Moderator position. What I mean is - allowing only him start votes and set criteria does not work. At all. Make the new recruits have equal powers. Secondly remove the guys who haven't played for months and don't participate but randomly appear to vote on something. If they return to the game, they can return to the leagues team but for now they should not have a vote. Third - make it public who is the so called Leagues Team and everyone's function in it.
                          Last edited by skyforger; 09-27-2018, 09:47 AM.

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                          • #28
                            It's a good point - there's only so many people willing to put up with the work. At first it seems like an amazing job to have a position as a sort of game designer for a game they love - and perhaps it is (you're not paid but is it something you could MAYBE put on your resume? I think so, especially if you work in gaming). Excluding that opportunity it is an unrewarding job and eventually for most people will feel like a chore. Also there's no guarantee that whoever's in charge is capable.. how do we know Grasps TWD Apex idea is good for example. It might be, but how can we know? You don't REALLY want to be offering jobs to just anybody who asks because that'll kill the game far more quickly.

                            That said there must be some sensible and practical improvement we can make in the interim. Whether it's an in-game/forum poll, community brainstorm, acquiring more talent and help, more transparency (maybe we can discuss the rules of a league and change the bad parts before the league starts? And have the league ops willing to implement the changes..) etc.

                            Also you can't deny that half of the problems in this game are due to the fact that some people have 10000 hours played in leagues alone plus innate skill difference. Games in TSL are boring because first the bot needs to learn the best matchups and second the lower level game contains all the people who simply never get to play leagues because they're not good enough. The cycle just gets repeated and so you have one match where the total time played in leagues is humongous and another match where its pitiful. So if you ever get placed in the wrong match it sucks.

                            TSL was ok once it learned who to put in what match. Someone like me or even MC (who I remember was pretty good before but could be considered above average now) who skirt the line between total newb destroyer and 1337 pro gamer are put in an awkward spot so if there were people for like 3 tiers of games that would be perfect imo. I don't want to demolish wicket666 or Lupin in jav and I don't want to disappoint the toxic personalities in the other match so it is kind of boring having only enough players for 2 tiers most of the time. But still I'm hopeful that there are some practical solutions.
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                            • #29
                              What about TSLB only for a season and TWD reformed/renewed. Or TSLB and dueling cup. Let's get practical solutions that everybody can enjoy. Why should anybody care about TSLB only or dueling cup? Dunno lol, why should we care about any of this crap. Ppl are just trying to game with their friends and shit right? So let's enable that.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by qan View Post
                                The problem with league planning is that pretty much nobody has any interest in doing it. If you'd like to see one reason why, just take a read through this thread (or any number of leagues threads over the years). At the end of the day, a lot of people are afraid of opening themselves up to ridicule. Especially on the internet, which is srs bsns.
                                Lol please... The problem is that you and Henry Saari (mainly Henry) made sure everyone who is/was willing to run leagues has ran off. I can name 3 people who dont want to do a thing for leagues anymore because of Henry Saari and a little bit of you. You guys have the feeling like you need to run this whole show. But lets be realistic, you have never entered an arena outside pub to play. And Henry Saari should just take care of DSB, where he belongs. Both of you have no clue how to run a league, yet you want to have the highest say in everything. Like Skyforger said as well, everything has to go through Henry Saari. How can stuff happen if this guy is afk 24/7 himself? The only thing he cares about his himself. TWDT-B ratings had to be limited on 8's because mr Saari was scared he wouldnt play enough. Well... After all he was right, because he got benched as soon as Heaven got active. You need to spam the guy HARD to get his attention when a game is going on. He doesnt pay attention to chats or w/e, but yet this guy is in control of everything in this game. Everything taking so long with resets etc is no surprise. If me, zid and mythril didnt step up last TWDT, we would still have to wait on the ratings.. The guy has no plan at all, but he makes sure that people who do have a plan, dont want to work with him or do even anything at all for staff cuz the guy will interrupt.
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