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  • #76
    Health insurance in the USA is a gigantic crock of shit. The United States still spends more per capita on healthcare than any other developed country (as of 2017 anyway, most recent results I could find). Now I'm not here to argue for or against M4A, but our system here is far from perfect and is still a gigantic shitshow. I also agree with paradise! about the pre existing condition aspect of covid. We keep hearing about hospitals inflating numbers for financial gain (FTR, my brother in law is an ICU doctor throughout the metro area and said thats anecdotal at best, and is generally a crock of shit), but this pre existing condition shit is insanity as well. You have people like my wife or Ephemeral (glad to see you around buddy) with very obvious pre existing conditions, but there are also people who go to the hospital for COVID treatment, and in the course of their hospitalization some condition they have never known about is discovered. If someone has lived with some of these conditions forever and not been affected by it, is it really a pre existing condition? Last study I saw said 22% of the world's population is estimated to have a pre existing condition that can exacerbate the seriousness of COVID. That's a huge number. It's not just 80 year old overweight people with acute leukemia, 22% of the world's population is over 1.5 billion people.

    I do agree with Eph's point about unbiased COVID information being next to impossible to find. The fact that a global pandemic has been politicized instantly in the USA is not a ringing endorsement for our political health here, on either side. COVID reporting right now is basically fuckheads cherry picking and skewing statistics to fit into the narrative they created that will prove the point they decided on in February, regardless of what happens. Even worse, people who react to new information and adjust their stance and eviscerated by both sides as well. We really are a bunch of fuckheads here at times.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by the_paul View Post
      Health insurance in the USA is a gigantic crock of shit. The United States still spends more per capita on healthcare than any other developed country (as of 2017 anyway, most recent results I could find). Now I'm not here to argue for or against M4A, but our system here is far from perfect and is still a gigantic shitshow. I also agree with paradise! about the pre existing condition aspect of covid. We keep hearing about hospitals inflating numbers for financial gain (FTR, my brother in law is an ICU doctor throughout the metro area and said thats anecdotal at best, and is generally a crock of shit), but this pre existing condition shit is insanity as well. You have people like my wife or Ephemeral (glad to see you around buddy) with very obvious pre existing conditions, but there are also people who go to the hospital for COVID treatment, and in the course of their hospitalization some condition they have never known about is discovered. If someone has lived with some of these conditions forever and not been affected by it, is it really a pre existing condition? Last study I saw said 22% of the world's population is estimated to have a pre existing condition that can exacerbate the seriousness of COVID. That's a huge number. It's not just 80 year old overweight people with acute leukemia, 22% of the world's population is over 1.5 billion people.

      I do agree with Eph's point about unbiased COVID information being next to impossible to find. The fact that a global pandemic has been politicized instantly in the USA is not a ringing endorsement for our political health here, on either side. COVID reporting right now is basically fuckheads cherry picking and skewing statistics to fit into the narrative they created that will prove the point they decided on in February, regardless of what happens. Even worse, people who react to new information and adjust their stance and eviscerated by both sides as well. We really are a bunch of fuckheads here at times.
      also to add, most doctors are just there to make good money, that is all, no kindness or compassion, or genuine concern to help people get better. and they are just robots who dont know how to save lives, and make up how to treat you, while just making things worse for you.
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      • #78
        They aren't all like that, many are good minded. Here we have Professor Raoult he's a star now, enemy of media, because since the beginning he's being using hydrochloriquine to treat his patients for an excellent result here they made hydrochloroquine illegal just before the start of pandemic, before that it was a very cheap drug everyone could access. It ended people in the government was linked with a parmaceutical industry that was selling an innefective and way more expensive drug . My own doctor is abrupt but has a good mind.

        Worse ennemy is the media as Ephemeral said, they are almost all corupted, I think it's even worse than politicians. Interesting document about the 10 rules of media hate btw, in France believe me it's even worse because we have only one side of the hate. I'm convinced channels like Fox are as corrupted as a channel like CNN but here there is no Fox-alike channel. The most right wing opinion represented by media here is the liberal one which is considered leftist in USA. They created a bad atmosphere that if you are right wing you're de facto a racist and all you get is sticks in the wheels. It must be so easy to be a leftist here but God knows I worth better than that. Btw I'm sorry Ephemeral I think once I told you to gtfo but you're an old man and I have respect for that, I enjoy we have various rather old people in this game.

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        • #79
          always right vs left, red vs blue, is there no purple, vs orange, up vs down party line that can be relevant, and thrown into the mix, nope just a massive concentrated monopoly world wide
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Ephemeral View Post
            No shit, this is why I started my post with, "Here is the perspective from my chair..." The context of my entire post was 'this is my opinion' and not an 'argument' so your reply is inane.




            The following is my opinion.
            Anyone can donate their income and time to giving to others. So please feel free to donate your income to those whom you feel need it.

            The USA is a country which is based upon personal freedoms. This includes financial freedom and the ability to do with my income as I see fit. You cannot legislate morality. If folks like yourself feel you should be paying for everyone else to get health benefits, then p[lease donate your income but stop trying to control other people's freedoms.

            Lastly, the issue of division is not Trump (but I agree that he is certainly trolling those who are driving the division and hatred). The division is being driven by the media and identity politics and was started years before Trump was even in the picture. Identity politics is the opposite of what the US should be about; that we all all born equal. 'I am black and therefore I am a victim.' 'I am trans therefore I am a victim.' I am a old white guy but am being kept alive by machine. So fucking what? I am a victim but I do not feel the need to walk around whining about it.

            I lived through the 1960s and I can say that this country has made incredible progress over the decades. Yet over the last 10-15 years we are going in the wrong direction as the media and others continue to drive division. Consider the name 'Progressive'; 'we are progressive and the rest of you are not' is what the name means to a lot of people. The name itself drives division.

            We need to pull our heads out of our asses and stop with this tribal crap. Stop trying to force other people to think a certain way. Enjoy our freedoms including being allowed to think as you wish and run your life as you you want to. If there is an injustice, get a lawyer and sue someone. Knockings over statues is moronic. If anyone is truly concerned about racial inequities then stop buying and supporting Apple. You know, the company who is supporting China and their slavery of over 1 million Uyghur Muslims. But I guess it is easier to knock over a statue then it is to give up your iPhone.

            In my opinion 'woke' lip service and virtual signaling is only appeasing people who support identity politics and want division. Anyone with an IQ over 80 can see right through a company like FaceBook donating $10M toward 'Ending Racial Injustice' when only 4% of their work force is black (even worse only 1% of those are technical jobs). If people wanted REAL and significant racial change, they would go apply pressure to Facebook to address their racial inequalities. You know, something that has a chance at actually helping blacks.

            But the biggest issue is the media and their effort to make everything binary and then drive division. Here is a link to an older article "The Media’s 10 Rules of Hate" from a reporter offering an opinion on his own industry. https://washingtonspectator.org/taibbi-10rulesofhate/

            Eph
            If it is so obvious, why was your post a giant generalization of your experience then?
            Last edited by paradise!; 08-08-2020, 10:23 AM. Reason: loool nvm
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