TW Mafia: Sweet Vengeance

[Exalt]

All this "oh I won't be last one on the vote train" is anti-town, my wincon says nothing about being alive to win

I don't care if I die as long as it's by being lynched. If I die like Paul did through a vengeful kill, then at least someone chose to off me. I can deal with that too. If I die to some automatic bullshit like a Supersaint though, then I'd be pissed, since I won't even get to use my vengeance kill on scum. Also, I KNOW I'm town, while I don't know what alignment any of you are. Besides that, I will naturally always trust my own judgement far more than anyone else in this game, so I inherently value my own vote and vengeful kill more than I do anyone else's in this game. The only time you'll see me needlessly throw my life away is if I know I can get a 1 for 1 trade with scum out of it, because that's a bad deal for scum and a great one for town. Voting last on a supersaint (assuming the claim isn't a lie) isn't a good deal though, because I lose my free kill, and that player will be lynched regardless of whether I vote them or not.

[Exalt]

Ffe is staying under the radar somehow despite all of the scummy shit she has been involved in.

That bandwagon vote on Kthx did not sit well with me, either. She's also completely avoiding any actual discussion of grand - even last phase as she said she didn't want to lynch DF, would not consider switching to Grand even though directly suggested it to her.

This.

Grand said he PMed ffe, but then ffe said Grand was a liar. If Grand lied, then why isn't ffe voting Grand for that? Isn't that scummier than the Paul 'slip' that ffe and downfall voted him for? Ixt literally said the exact same slip a page or so ago, yet ffe didn't vote him for it. Why not? If it was a good enough reason to vote Paul, why isn't it good enough to vote ixt?

I don't like the inconsistencies.

[sdrawkcab]

Okay, then why don't we have one of the other Supersaint claims be the final vote on Grand?

Great idea but I'm not sure how we would do that... and we aren't even sure supersaints are all scum yet, we gotta flip one see if they are green or red(??) inside

if they are scum we ain't gonna convince them to just off eachother

if they aren't scum you guys squeal like pigs when you're gonna die

[Exalt]

see the problem here? We lose 4 vengeful townies regardless if we want to kill 4 mafia supersaints. Or we can just lynch the saints, and go after the obvious scum that hop ship to protect their buddies.

I want town to lynch Vengeful CLAIMS, not necessarily Vengeful TOWNIES. Notice the difference in these two capitalized words? We lynch who we think are scum, but unless you all think the only scum member in this game is grand, then you should have more than 1 suspect. If they're all Supersaints, then fair enough, but if you have any suspects from the Vengeful Townie pool of claims, then why aren't you lynching them first? If they flip town, then they kill grand. If they flip scum, then move on to the next scum member.

How is this that difficult for people to understand? Are you all pretending to be dumb on purpose, because you're scum?

[Exalt]

Fair point. However it gets done, I think Grand needs to go. Unless there is other information that comes out or someone slips.

Okay, then why don't we have one of the other Supersaint claims be the final vote on Grand?

[kthx]

Also: and i think this post can be quoted for reference during this entire phase: VOTING PATTERNS.

Looking at who voted on Downfall: Halp, Backwards, Kthx, paul.

Now, I already had expressed why paul is by far the most townie-like in that group, but pity downfall didnt stop to consider. Backwards and Kthx have not provided much useful insight to ponder over, just "oh im vengeful lynch me ill find a potential fake supersaint claim". Halp lurker.

now, ill be damned if anti-town roles (if there are any) have successfully managed to scatter their votes to not leave any breadcrumbs behind, let alone none on the biggest wagon. If we are to assume halp is a lurking townie or scum, odds are backwards or kthx might be one too, but thats for another phase debate. This one is Grand/field as of now with a few to the side.

What exactly should I be saying, until we get another day of lynching and pop flying over we cant really do much. So unless there is a daytime investigative role we are all shooting blind basically. And if the scum are smart they will just not vote in blocs and theres fuckall we can do to figure it out.

[ixt]

well he for one has stuck to his story, AND has his vote on Grand. Seems ok for this phase at least.

[sdrawkcab]

Well, about me being alive to win... says ATLEAST ONE of us fuck fuck idiot townies needs to be alive.. doesn't say I do, so unless your fucking wincon has some survivor shit on it let's lynch a god damn super saint and see wtf is going on

[sdrawkcab]

Also: and i think this post can be quoted for reference during this entire phase: VOTING PATTERNS.

Looking at who voted on Downfall: Halp, Backwards, Kthx, paul.

Now, I already had expressed why paul is by far the most townie-like in that group, but pity downfall didnt stop to consider. Backwards and Kthx have not provided much useful insight to ponder over, just "oh im vengeful lynch me ill find a potential fake supersaint claim". Halp lurker.

now, ill be damned if anti-town roles (if there are any) have successfully managed to scatter their votes to not leave any breadcrumbs behind, let alone none on the biggest wagon. If we are to assume halp is a lurking townie or scum, odds are backwards or kthx might be one too, but thats for another phase debate. This one is Grand/field as of now with a few to the side.

You guys all act like yelling at each other and threatening to lynch each other is "scum hunting" while trying to force role claims on d1... I've never seen anything productive come out of it, here we are with (nearly?) everyone role claimed and we have what? 9 or 10 vengefuls and 3 supersaints? Yet people won't just lynch a supersaint? All this "oh I won't be last one on the vote train" is anti-town, my wincon says nothing about being alive to win

[sdrawkcab]

Halp is also notoriously inactive when he is town. He doesn't hide that he finds playing as town boring. When he is mafia or third party, he is much more active. That's nothing definitive to preclude him from being scum this time around and just having IRL stuff going on, but it's something to consider.

Dude has been going to the beach all day

[Voth]

Ffe is staying under the radar somehow despite all of the scummy shit she has been involved in.

That bandwagon vote on Kthx did not sit well with me, either. She's also completely avoiding any actual discussion of grand - even last phase as she said she didn't want to lynch DF, would not consider switching to Grand even though directly suggested it to her.

[ixt]

Also: and i think this post can be quoted for reference during this entire phase: VOTING PATTERNS.

Looking at who voted on Downfall: Halp, Backwards, Kthx, paul.

Now, I already had expressed why paul is by far the most townie-like in that group, but pity downfall didnt stop to consider. Backwards and Kthx have not provided much useful insight to ponder over, just "oh im vengeful lynch me ill find a potential fake supersaint claim". Halp lurker.

now, ill be damned if anti-town roles (if there are any) have successfully managed to scatter their votes to not leave any breadcrumbs behind, let alone none on the biggest wagon. If we are to assume halp is a lurking townie or scum, odds are backwards or kthx might be one too, but thats for another phase debate. This one is Grand/field as of now with a few to the side.

[Voth]

Typical for Voth to ignore accusations by throwing shit all over and see what sticks. Guy manages to accuse over half the players of being scum. If hes right, we already lost.

As far as not being helpful in scum hunting, I've been voting grand for at least as long as you have, so if I'm not helpful than neither are you.

i agree about backwards, exalt gives me some pause for his strategies, and you like ixt? Lol.

regarding exalts strategies, I mean that he wants us to lynch 3 vengefuls so they can kill super saints, because directly lynching the supersaints will let mafia avoid the reactive kill? Anyone else see the problem here? We lose 4 vengeful townies regardless if we want to kill 4 mafia supersaints. Or we can just lynch the saints, and go after the obvious scum that hop ship to protect their buddies.

What accusations? Let me summarize the sum total of the accusations currently leveled against me:

Grand: my instincts bro, trust me, vote voth

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I'm sorry, I missed where listing out scum and
town leans in the thread is no longer a valid wayto
play mafia. Obviously not all of those people are scum, but it doesn't mean that me pointing out something I noticed won't resonate with someone else and snowball into something productive.

Yes, you have been voting grand, but you're completely tunnel-vision on him. You aren't looking at anyone
else, or at least you aren't discussing it openly. And with how scummy this post was, combined with the fact that you *have* been voting grand all along also, you're actually making me second guess my vote on him.

[kthx]

I'm fine with either halp or grand. Although the Willby point is pretty damning. He has played very quietly this game as opposed to others and has definitely toned down his rhetoric from his townie games.

vote: willby

for now.

[Voth]

Halp is also notoriously inactive when he is town. He doesn't hide that he finds playing as town boring. When he is mafia or third party, he is much more active. That's nothing definitive to preclude him from being scum this time around and just having IRL stuff going on, but it's something to consider.