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  • #16
    laugh i just got mutevoted on by red x and his multiple connections to rig the vote because I ask him to name one bill republicans have passed to help the middle class. once again mod abuse and republican racist cant stand the truth. go John Boehner show them what a real republican looks like

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    • #17
      will red x be banned for using multiple connections to rig a mutevote

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      • #18
        I vote ban spaceshark. #1 retard in the zone right now.

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        • #19
          My third eye tells me last night i was mutevoted by Red_X using multiple connections after I was asking the MAGA heads to name one bill past by republicans that has helped the middle . Is using multiple connections a banable offense in here ?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zeebu View Post

            this thread is like a compost heap... just a big stack of shit. but after a while you're left with useful fertilizer. this comment right here is the fertilizer.
            enjoy my morning dump
            how about staff do something useful besides censorship and turn back on being able to see players energy levels from spec, to make it easy to record and expose cheaters

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            • #21

              Originally posted by SpaceShark View Post
              My third eye tells me last night i was mutevoted by Red_X using multiple connections after I was asking the MAGA heads to name one bill past by republicans that has helped the middle . Is using multiple connections a banable offense in here ?

              You weren't really asking so much as demanding and shouting at the entire pub chat. You couldn't be civil, and there was a group within the community who found your text disruptive. It's no secret who votemuted you, it's put clearly in the chat of pub.

              There are protections in place to prevent aliased players from voting twice. Further, a moderator evaluates each request before it is initiated. There was nothing fraudulent going on. In the event you do see fraudulent activity (and you have tangible evidence), https://trenchwars.org/support or twcomplaints@gmail.com are the appropriate venues to register your complaint. Blasting this on the forums just puts the theatrics on full display for the entire community.

              So, to answer your question: Yes -- mutli-clienting is illegal in TrenchWars and will be punished according to the guidelines in the manual. Was anyone multi-clienting? No.


              Originally posted by SpaceShark View Post
              enjoy my morning dump
              how about staff do something useful besides censorship and turn back on being able to see players energy levels from spec, to make it easy to record and expose cheaters
              Not sure what this has to do with the original post, but I would suggest putting together a separate forum post being a little more descriptive and providing some justification. In the real world, access isn't handed out "because I want it", it's granted for specific purposes and for specific reasons.
              Last edited by Hookecho; 04-13-2021, 12:52 PM.

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              • #22
                Ok Hookecho your going to force me to support someone i dont even agree or know but if your going to make a blanket statement like that your going to have to defend it. Explain to me how the bans department is working because your allowing your ban ops to work on alts and not on their official accounts thus players have no clue who to contact or who is on as they have access to the bot how is that not multi-clienting?
                I mean I can post all the bot commands and how they impact gameplay but it would be more simple just to make a list of every alt of everyone who has access to the bot. Then people might understand wtf is going on and be able to report when they see strange sht going on to twcomplaints@gmail.com
                OH the bot was just used. OH this person is on who has access to the bot well maybe I should put in a complaint. That is just logical. I know the commands so I know when sht goes down. I just dont bother anymore because honestly it doesn't bother me after all these years. It does clearly affect gameplay when commands are used to make base smaller or timers are turned off or port is used hell I could go on. I hope you get the point.

                SECTION 2: ZONE RULES

                1 Cheating, teaching to cheat, or linking to cheats.

                2 Exploiting bugs or glitches in the game.

                3 Deliberate or excessive team–killing. This includes team–killing in revenge.

                4 Racial vilification, derogatory slurs, or pornography. This includes, but is not restricted tonames, squad names, arena names, and banners.

                5 Spamming or excessive verbal harassment in public channels. For other minor instances,please utilize the ?ignore command or toggle public macros off.

                6 The above two rules also apply to the ?help and ?cheater commands. Use ?cheater only forreporting breaches of these rules. Use ?help only for asking subspace related questions.

                7 Manipulating your connection, regardless of how it is done. Refusing to comply withinstructions set by zone staff will result in a forced kick off the zone.

                8 Running multiple clients, or using any of which to hunt people from spectator mode.

                9 Impersonation of staff members or official TW bots, i.e., threatening to ban people, wearing a<ZH> or <ER> tag, mimicking bot responses, or creating similar names to that of zone staff or TW bots.

                10 Violating event rules in hosted arenas or automated events. Rules are usually given inthe form of green arena messages. Pay attention to them.

                11 Linking to malware sites including sites containing data loggers, viruses, Trojans, etc.

                12 Harassment or otherwise insulting behavior towards zone staff.

                13 Being highly disruptive to the game in any other way than listed above.

                2,6,8,10, and 13 don't seem to be enforced anymore... Yet 4 is enforced in such a way that your staff is going to the point that they are coming up with ways to punish people for not even breaking the official rules set down in the current Bans Department Protocol.

                WHY?

                I could post the entire document for everyone to read but i don't really want to stir the pot that much.
                Lets be upfront with the community about just want is going on inside staff shall we?

                Lets get basic shall we?
                How many help requests are required to be answered to stay on staff now adays? And not just answered but actually resolved when the ticket comes in then a op checkes off the ticket do you all even still run that way so that you keep staff members that actually want to stay in to help the community and don't just want power? I'll keep away from asking another simple question about the $$$. Don't get me wrong I 100% know staff is fully volunteer and have stuck up for yall more than once. That does not give you carte blanche on how some members are acting.

                These are basic questions the entire community should know about. If you actually want proper feedback.

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                • #23
                  Rothe,

                  Doing my best here to answer your points:

                  Originally posted by rothe View Post
                  Ok Hookecho your going to force me to support someone i dont even agree or know but if your going to make a blanket statement like that your going to have to defend it. Explain to me how the bans department is working because your allowing your ban ops to work on alts and not on their official accounts thus players have no clue who to contact or who is on as they have access to the bot how is that not multi-clienting?
                  While it may of been culture in times past, there are very, very few (SMOD+) members of staff which have additional aliases with access to our core bot infrastructure. No one at the moderator level. All of our moderators are documented on the TrenchWars Staff page. You're right, at one point in time mods were not documented adequately, but this has been corrected. Of course, this doesn't stop people on staff from creating accounts that are not their primary account -- but any fraudulent activity here would be caught almost immediately and would be cause for disciplinary action up to and including termination of duties.

                  In-game, using ?help or ?cheater calls still works to be able to get in touch with someone from staff if they are available. As soon as your call is taken by a staff member, you get a PM about it from RoboHelp including the staff member who took the call. If you get this PM and no one helps you, absolutely report it.

                  What does having access to a bot with limited power have to do with mutli-clienting? Multi-clienting involves having multiple clients available to you on your desktop (or several desktops) at once in order to connect to the zone. Bots connect to the zone from their own server, and are only interfaced with by issuing commands via PM.

                  Originally posted by rothe View Post
                  I mean I can post all the bot commands and how they impact gameplay but it would be more simple just to make a list of every alt of everyone who has access to the bot. Then people might understand wtf is going on and be able to report when they see strange sht going on to twcomplaints@gmail.com
                  OH the bot was just used. OH this person is on who has access to the bot well maybe I should put in a complaint. That is just logical. I know the commands so I know when sht goes down. I just dont bother anymore because honestly it doesn't bother me after all these years. It does clearly affect gameplay when commands are used to make base smaller or timers are turned off or port is used hell I could go on. I hope you get the point.
                  Not really sure what you're trying to say here. Access to our environments is highly protected. Mods can't just run around in pub *killing, *warping, or changing the base size (bot does this btw). This stuff gets logged, and it is audited. No, the audit logs aren't public.

                  "If you see something, say something" is a good general rule for reporting suspicious activity. If you feel the activity is strange enough to report it, use ?cheater and report it. There's a good chance that if it is actually cheating or some form of game manipulation that we were already informed by an automated system (or another player), and we're watching closely.

                  If you think its staff abuse, then you should put a email into twcomplaints@gmail.com, which ONLY goes to SysOps. No other level of staff member can read that email.

                  Originally posted by rothe View Post
                  2,6,8,10, and 13 don't seem to be enforced anymore... Yet 4 is enforced in such a way that your staff is going to the point that they are coming up with ways to punish people for not even breaking the official rules set down in the current Bans Department Protocol.

                  WHY?
                  The rules you quoted are all still currently enforced. I don't see how racism enforcement (rule 4) has to do with !votemute. !votemute is meant for the community to decide who is being disruptive and who is not. WE are not punishing people for not breaking official rules, the community as a whole (except staff, because we can't vote) is indicating that they'd rather see nothing in chat that allow the disruptive individual to continue.

                  While I would admit that not every single infraction does have an enforcement action (due to missing a call, etc), it isn't because the rule is being ignored. Like you said, we're volunteer, and we do the best we can to enforce the rules of the community. Also, like BIET mentioned already, you are not entitled to know about enforcement action placed upon other players. Much like anything else these days, personal information (especially in a public game) is not for public consumption. This includes aliases, ban records, warnings received, etc.

                  Originally posted by rothe View Post
                  Lets get basic shall we?
                  How many help requests are required to be answered to stay on staff now adays? And not just answered but actually resolved when the ticket comes in then a op checkes off the ticket do you all even still run that way so that you keep staff members that actually want to stay in to help the community and don't just want power? I'll keep away from asking another simple question about the $$$. Don't get me wrong I 100% know staff is fully volunteer and have stuck up for yall more than once. That does not give you carte blanche on how some members are acting.
                  Yes, being on staff does require a mandatory amount of activity by an individual staff member. These are measured by various activities including calls taken and time played. Are issuing bans a way you can receive credit? No. Is your performance as a staff member reviewed? Yes. Are calls and bans audited? Yes.

                  I'm not really sure what "$$$" you're referring to, but if you find it, I do like Yamazaki 12 if you're feeling generous. I have never received a paycheck for my time here, not even in pubbux. Any donation money received is used to support our infrastructure and is documented on the website: https://trenchwars.org/donationdetails/. I would much rather see the money go towards things like upgrading our server, or troubleshooting network/lag issues than receive a dime of it.

                  Don't get me wrong, if you have some specific instances of staff members being disruptive members of the community, or abusing their powers (even for just that tiny advantage), we absolutely want to hear about it. But this wasn't staff abuse, this was the community deciding that a player was disruptive, a moderator reviewing it and carrying out the will of the community.

                  By the way, while I was writing this, there was another vote mute attempt, which WAS NOT enforced as it seemed to be pre-emptive before the player had even said anything. This kind of stuff is not acceptable, and we're trying to proof the system so things like this aren't allowed to happen. Until we get everything dialed in just so, this system will continue to have a human intervention factor.

                  Hope this helps answer some of your questions.
                  Last edited by Hookecho; 04-13-2021, 03:45 PM.

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                  • #24
                    [QUOTE=Hookecho;n1353501]


                    You weren't really asking so much as demanding and shouting at the entire pub chat. You couldn't be civil, and there was a group within the community who found your text disruptive. It's no secret who votemuted you, it's put clearly in the chat of pub.

                    There are protections in place to prevent aliased players from voting twice. Further, a moderator evaluates each request before it is initiated. There was nothing fraudulent going on. In the event you do see fraudulent activity (and you have tangible evidence), https://trenchwars.org/support or twcomplaints@gmail.com are the appropriate venues to register your complaint. Blasting this on the forums just puts the theatrics on full display for the entire community.

                    Oh KKK its ok for the klan to hold their trumptard rallies in here but when you stand up to them you get muted for asking them what bills have republicans passed that has helped the middle class. This zone has a KKK problem that needs to be addressed , there are about a dozen members lead by Red_X

                    Yes asking them to tell you what bills republicans have passed to help the middle class is very disrespectful, MY BAD

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                    • #25
                      Its very clear now staff is the problem, have been taken over by trumptards,
                      ONLY SOLUTION IS TO MOVE THE SERVER AND REPLACE THEM ALL

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SpaceShark View Post
                        Its very clear now staff is the problem, have been taken over by trumptards,
                        ONLY SOLUTION IS TO MOVE THE SERVER AND REPLACE THEM ALL
                        I'm fairly sure that far more right-wing folks have been silenced by the new spam rule, probably at a ratio of something like 5:1.

                        Not everything is an ideological battle, no matter how much the news orgs would like you to think it is in order to drive viewership.

                        Please try to engage people in conversations rather than talking at them. You can still discuss political ideas, whether communist, fascist, libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, mutualist, socialist, neoliberal, primitivist, or exasperated centrist. But the key verb there is discuss. You can't simply sit in pub and monologue anymore. That was annoying too many people.
                        "You're a gentleman," they used to say to him. "You shouldn't have gone murdering people with a hatchet; that's no occupation for a gentleman."
                        -Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment

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                        • #27
                          Can't votemute jesus

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                          • #28
                            Ban sharkdik

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                            • #29
                              Thanks for the feedback hookecho I got sucked in this convo like a well... Sorry backing out now lol I know when to stfu


                               

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by qan View Post
                                I'm fairly sure that far more right-wing folks have been silenced by the new spam rule, probably at a ratio of something like 5:1.

                                Not everything is an ideological battle, no matter how much the news orgs would like you to think it is in order to drive viewership.

                                Please try to engage people in conversations rather than talking at them. You can still discuss political ideas, whether communist, fascist, libertarian, anarcho-capitalist, mutualist, socialist, neoliberal, primitivist, or exasperated centrist. But the key verb there is discuss. You can't simply sit in pub and monologue anymore. That was annoying too many people.
                                It doesn't matter what subject I discuss, Ive been muted for talking science, moon base race, or just normal chit chat,
                                Right Wing Klan has it out for me, and I see it, staff as their enablers

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