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  • Jones
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    Basing games could be changed from 15 minutes of flag time to a maximum of 5.

    About 8 pm finnish time is a great time slot for the league.

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  • viop11
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    wut about altirniting wb/jav 1st/3rd each week and bisink cud always b 2nd

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  • Rab
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    The x:45 thing isn't necessary. Currently some games finish, then everyone waits for the last game to finish, then 1 minute later the next games begin. The people in the longest game barely get time to piss.

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  • Dwopple
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    Originally posted by afghan View Post
    I agree I’m not a fan of the earlier basing time and like ogron said there have been polls for this. Rather than complaining for complaining sake here is my alternative solution:

    TWLD - 2:00pm with 2nd round immediately after
    TWLJ - 2:45pm with 2nd round immediately after
    TWLB - 3:30pm with 2nd round immediately after

    This gives an extra 30min off the end time. Looking at the times from last season, the longest games in wb and jav were 15min and that was for the close matches otherwise they were shorter. This removes the arbitrary gap of scheduling games every 30 minutes as most people just linger around waiting. Another way to decrease the end time is to decrease the time it takes to set lineups.
    I don't hate this, but I do think scheduling scheduling games to start at the x:45 minute mark would be pretty confusing to many. It's been easy for people to remember specific leagues start at the top of each hour. That said, I'm not completely ruling this out if others would like to offer their thoughts.


    For transparency, I've also had a couple in-game side conversations with people about this which came up after I posted this. I've been directing everyone to this thread to post their comments for discussion, so as not to silo information into private / semi-private discussions. I have stayed away from expressing opinions and decision making privately and semi-privately (chats).

    I am taking notice of 2 things so far... 1) seems like a (still-early) general consensus is to not have basing first, mainly due to an increased potential for forfeitures and subsequent match delays. 2) keeping things AS-IS (like previous seasons) OR moving base to 2nd, and having either wbs or javs 1st. The clear favorite so far in this thread being Javs > Basing > Wbs. A side conversation I've had with someone didn't mind basing 2nd, but preferred keeping wbs first. I've directed them to this thread if they want to start a discussion specific to this.

    edit: speaking of opinions, mine is to not have basing 3rd solely based on my reasoning in my earlier post referencing the stats BIET provided. I do believe having basing first or second will address some super-late nights for many Euros with having basing as the 3rd division. I do not, and have never held this opinion for my own personal / squad's gain. This is something I've seen mentioned in multiple threads, witnessed myself many times, and sought match statistics to point us to a productive discussion on this.

    edit2: included "keeping things as-is (to previous seasons)" in my second observation
    Last edited by Dwopple; 01-25-2021, 02:54 PM.

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  • viop11
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    this cud b gr8 change but also perhips wut sum ppl haf said such as a2m n othir that mayb vsink javs then bisink then wirbirt cud b gud becuz mayb sum more ppl arrife 4 lj mitch n privint pissibil forfeits for bisink, while still keepink it earlier 4 the eurips

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  • Turban
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    Originally posted by Tiny View Post
    base games are going to reach 30 minutes many times. There are going to be many teams able to go toe to toe causing us to start behind on time every week. 7 minutes of set up while people wait the entire time for their last player to log in plus a 30 minute match? When they are at the end, I know if doesnt matter as much, but the first games are going to require some schedule change besides 30 min block imo. That being said, i would strongly suggest not base first, but atleast 2nd.

    edit: arent twl times 5+2 for dueling and 7+2 for base? forgot
    There is no add time function for TWLB since couple of seasons ago. I think there would be very little delays if we start the games as fast as possible without waiting for all other basing games to finish.

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  • ogron
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    yes i jumped to a conclusion, sorry. i apologized to Dwopple personally in-game as well.

    the amount of forfeits since moving basing from first to last has gone down drastically. it's been a very popular and successful move.

    beam tried a similar change last year and it caused a furor, so i was really taken aback by this decision.

    although im disappointed by this change and basing and dueling rosters not being separate, i appreciate vys and dwopple's efforts volunteering.

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  • Tiny
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    base games are going to reach 30 minutes many times. There are going to be many teams able to go toe to toe causing us to start behind on time every week. 7 minutes of set up while people wait the entire time for their last player to log in plus a 30 minute match? When they are at the end, I know if doesnt matter as much, but the first games are going to require some schedule change besides 30 min block imo. That being said, i would strongly suggest not base first, but atleast 2nd.

    edit: arent twl times 5+2 for dueling and 7+2 for base? forgot
    Last edited by Tiny; 01-25-2021, 10:51 AM. Reason: twl times

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  • Turban
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    I'm completely fine with this new schedule, but my preferred order would also be javelin > base > warbird. It's how the match order used to be back in the day when teams could schedule their own matches through negotiation (which, for the record, was fucking terrible system and I strongly recommend not bringing it back because most captains do not know how to properly negotiate times).

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  • Rasaq
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    How dare you try and change things up in this game!!!! You ?@(#ING FAT $#!& MOTHER ?@(#ER...

    The Dwoppler Radar system is picking up a large amount of tears headed to this year's TWL region.

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  • Majorcrisis2
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    Originally posted by Claushouse View Post
    what the fuck?

    change basing back to 4pm, where it's been forever. what kind of bullshit is this?

    there have been repeated polls many times showing massive support for basing last, stop making weird unilateral decisions that favor your team, you literally changed the entire fucking structure because Mikkiz works on Mondays to get a terr?

    LOOOOOL
    Its been on 5 pm forever... But yea basing as first on 2 pm is kinda weird. In history when squads scheduled the games, it basically went jav-base-wb. I like that the most, but that's my opinion.

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  • afghan
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    Originally posted by Dwopple View Post

    I asked BIET (THANK YOU!) to provide me with some stats on the length of matches in each division across all leagues... here is what this looks like:

    Total and average times per league, per division, per round (this includes setup time):
    • TWDD: 20968021 seconds in 30567 rounds. ~686 seconds per round (11m 26s).
    • TWJD: 26497605 seconds in 32127 rounds. ~825 seconds per round (13m 45s).
    • TWBD: 9863668s seconds in 6039 rounds. ~1633 seconds per round (27m 13s).
    • TWDTD: 312860 seconds in 372 rounds. ~841 seconds per round (14m 01s).
    • TWDTJ: 305648 seconds in 358 rounds. ~854 seconds per round (14m 14s).
    • TWDTB: 480814 seconds in 342 rounds. ~1406 seconds per round (23m 26s).
    • TWLD: 48685 seconds in .. rounds. ~761 seconds per round (12m 41s).
    • TWLJ: 38951 seconds in .. rounds. ~721 seconds per round (12m 01s).
    • TWLB: 49769 seconds in .. rounds. ~1382 seconds per round (23m 02s).


    I
    what about my solution? According to the stats there is <30 min of play time in one division with an hour slot. I understand people need breaks for snacks, bathroom, lineups, etc but do we really need 30 minutes of break to play <30 minutes of the game? I think my solution offers a reasonable compromise.

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  • Mikki<
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    Originally posted by Claushouse View Post
    what the fuck?

    change basing back to 4pm, where it's been forever. what kind of bullshit is this?

    there have been repeated polls many times showing massive support for basing last, stop making weird unilateral decisions that favor your team, you literally changed the entire fucking structure because Mikkiz works on Mondays to get a terr?

    LOOOOOL
    Classic Oggie! Dunno where you got that but I was thinking that I would not play at all because of last TWL season and just kinda bored of this game. Only times I logged in was sundays to play the draft tourny and TWD activity throughout the season was close to zero.

    I voted in the other thread that it should be LJ / LB / LD so we could avoid some forfeits in basing and leave LD last since I feel like most euros do not care about warbird (I think?) and NA players do. Also I suggested to play only 3 games per sunday but I guess that would make the season longer and hurt the zone activity. Could we just play less games then? :P

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  • Vehicle
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    I understand it might get confusing but I think we should do wb->jav->base then base->jav->wb, rinse and repeat. I think javs has the most overlap of players from other divisions and with roster caps at 13 for 3-league squads there has to be some overlap anyways.

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  • a2m+
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    Selfishly I would like TWLB earlier rather than later, but I haven’t played TWL in 7 years and I realize my family situation is different than most that play this game competitively. Maybe a compromise could be to play jav at 2 pm, base at 3 pm and wb at 4 pm like the order that the majority of the games were scheduled back 7-8 years ago in TWL when teams were allowed to negotiate times?

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