TWL format is shit are we trying to kill the zone?

[Tiny]

I completely understand what everyone is saying and agree to a certain extent, but my question is, how many players are going to use the split roster system? If I recall, I remember, maybe less than 5 people, could be less, players using the the split roster system that made any difference . I think the adding the split system with this format is not the answer, but if you really wanted to do something, allow less teams AND split rosters. In the current state and squads allowed in, the amount of floating players that could change competitiveness is sooo very low from splitting. In the end, we A) don’t have enough 3 leaguers to go around, so any amount of combining 3 leaguers is going to be harder to beat, 2 leaguers etc, and B) will always have favorites in leagues and make people feel it’s unfair and something needs to change. I do think it does help some people, like myself, who have specialized in a ship for so many years, but have practiced wb for many years, only to be benched for 3 leaguers/ specialty wbs, and may actually have a chance to sub or play for some small roster team that may not have starters show every week. For every argument , there is an argument against.

In the end, I think there are 3 options:

A) keep as is, and it will hurt some squads by not allowing them to stack inactive players and backups to counter multi league squads, but also allow people like myself to get some league action.

B) open up multi rosters, will maybe help a couple squads with A player (can’t see this swinging leagues)

C) shrink amount of squads allowed in and open up split rosters. Kind of late, will dissolve squads, change rosters completely, some will stay the same, but in the end, will still have the same amount of favorites.

Just looking at Javs, and I’m no wb or baser so I won’t even speculate, you have 4 clear favorites plus an underdog team. Out of 10 teams, that’s pretty good. How many leagues have 30-40% teams that are capable of winning?

I am currently drinking heavily and probably biased, so this may sound reaaaally dumb later. Prepared to edit.

[Mythril]

Combining all three leagues under one limit isn't just failing to create more parity, it's actually making it worse than before. Apparently I'm not allowed to hold this opinion because I'm on Lion (?). But what's hilarious is the only reason there's more than 2 competitive squads in TWLD is because I chose not to abuse this format even further and I helped create a third competitive squad. I guess if I decided to join Cuphead/Strike and turned TWL into a two squad league, the flaws of the current system would have been easier to understand for some people.

The fix is a simple one. You can do it two ways and it takes almost no effort to change in the rules. You can increase the cap to something bigger like 18. Or you can do the obvious fix that has worked wonders the last two seasons: Separate the basing roster from the dueling roster. Keep your strict roster limit. Not a fan of double squadding? That's fine too. I personally don't think it's a necessary thing to enforce, and less than 5 people did it anyway, but go ahead and make double squadding illegal if you want.

Just separate the rosters. That alone removes both the penalty of having a one-league player and the advantage of having a multi-league player which is creating all the issues in the current format.

It's not hard to imagine because Turban has already done it: Do something like make LD/LJ rosters 13. Then make basing rosters also 13. A pure spider can sit on the basing roster. A pure warbird can sit on the dueling roster. That way, they both don't hurt each other's chances in leagues THEY DON'T EVEN PLAY by not being a two-league star. That team could have 20 players total on the squad, but be divided into the separate rosters they've been recruited to play for. It's a simple and elegant fix created by Turban that helped create more competition the last two seasons and would quickly do the same for this season. Maybe a squad with a bunch of three-leaguers really only need 13 players to make it work, that's great. But that's clearly not going to be possible for everyone, and forcing it to be so is hurting the level of competition.

So I've yet to see the argument as to why forcing a limit of 13 on all three leagues, when not everyone plays more than 1 league but many do, makes more sense than just splitting the rosters up. How is this change creating more competition and parity than last season? I'm not seeing the evidence anywhere.

[MousE]

This is strictly from a basing perspective and I made this post because I just read through the post on roster limits and started thinking how shit this format is for a lot of people who play this game.

1) STACKING!!!!! This format is just a huge TW arms race! An easy example stems from a lack of sharks/terrs. In the last DT there was only 5 10* sharks in it and currently 2 of them are on the same team. I mean its good strat just doesn't seem very fair. Stacking has also been exacerbated by the roster limit, because it means people who play all 3 leagues will want to play together and it makes elites who play all 3 ships super OP... Go figure they stacked together in Cupheads! This is a huge roster advantage also because they are able to add a few 1 ship specialists and have depth for all 3 leagues. I am not upset with them about this I think it is the smart thing to do, but it does give them an unfair advantage. That is how this league is though. if you arn't stacking 9* + at every position you won't have a shot IMO!

2) Newer players get totally fucked and don't get to play in TWL - No top squad is going to recruit a noob for this and as stated by Lee with the new roster limits mean new players won't even be on TWL rosters this year. I don't think many people are going to want to TWL with a group of people that have limited experience... Who the fuck is going to show up every Sunday to get crushed in a game from the 90s!!! I mean we can see that with juice in BD where squads prefer not to play them cuz the lines are so imbalanced and that is just in BD, let alone a full TWL roster.

3) Limited player base & lack of teams - in DTs we can easily have 8 competitive teams, but we lose teams for TWL (last year 6 teams with 1 losing every game - that couldn't have been fun and would make me want to quit playing for sure). losing player participation isn't exactly good in a game of this size. How many teams have even currently have full basing lines this year + a sub in case someone can't make a game lol.

4) Roster Cap - clearly this hasn't helped the way it was supposed to (make more squads). I don't see any more squads for basing this year so what is the point of the cap exactly? make 3 shippers OP???? I don't even know why anyone who actually wants to play the league join a squad where they will just bench anyway so what is the cap for????

5) Same squad for all 3 leagues - I am not sure why this is a thing and why people want it so much. You should be able to do this if you want to, but why is it an issue if u play with diff teams for diff leagues? We are actually losing competitive teams this way because we are forced to be with the same squad for all 3 with tight rosters. Saw myth and beam talkin about this yesterday... beam just suggested to him to merge with another squad and cut his players to do it.... this is fucking ridiculous in a game with so few people.

This league has some huge flaws IMO and is gonna come down to a few teams battling for who has the most stacked roster....
in base currently there are 4 top teams that have a shot to win IMO no offence to anyone else just the 4 teams are all closer to 10*. Having a league, which is only fun for 32 people in a zone is dumb.... (oh yea 2 of those top 4 don't even have a full team yet)

yikes