Our LJ invitation

[Kings]

LOL, ill just laugh at this comment. and btw it was juice/build, plade finished #6 in bd ladder.

And we are going to have 15-0 games in twlb once again this year

[maketso]

And we are going to have 15-0 games in twlb once again this year

It's pretty much the same as 50-25 in TWLJ and we always get some of those

[Zerzera]

To be honest Pascone's reasoning is flawed.

The ELO rating system already rewards you extra for playing higher ranked teams.

So Pascone is to blame for not fixing that formula before starting the qualifying round, and it's not like it hasn't been discussed before.

Had you fixed that formula you would never have to use your bias to decide who you invite to TWL.

I think Pascone made a big mistake here, and should fix it.

[SLaQ n Sauce]

Quit whining, do you people really think staff chooses unfairly for any of the teams that gained positions in TWL?

yes, that is exactly what most people are saying.

[Barton]

yes, that is exactly what most people are saying.

^ yep

[Confluence]

No matter what comes of this for fistula, its good to see that it seems the general population of tw sees the wrong in what was done.

This probably hasn't change anything for us, as it should, but at least it will raise the issues of what was done wrong here so that it won't happen again next season.

Like I said earlier, Fistula wasn't going to win twlj and neither will plade (as some staff seem to think there is some grand difference in skills between the two squads in javs -- which there isn't), but the way this whole situation was handled needs to be changed.

We (staff that is) had decided for this season that we weren't going to auto invite playoff teams from the season prior, squads that had proven themselves in league play. Yet, multiple teams in different divisions were given free rides (auto invites) this season into leagues for APPEARING to be "good squads" that couldn't even make it into the top 12 of their respective divisions during twd. They not only didn't prove anything in a prior league season, but they couldn't put it together in the offseason leading into leagues. Hmmm.

[moltenrock]

For god's sake, don't shove everything on to Pasc's head.



After talking to Conf, I gotta agree...don't see why they got the boot like this. If my info is right, they played the number of required games and were in the 12th spot? And the whole deal with the higher avg. opp rating, even if Plade's was higher, Fistula was higher than some of the higher ranked squads right? So they gained those higher positions by playing weaker squads then, shouldn't that factor have been averaged in? Maybe the official system put Plade ahead, but morally, this seems very wrong.

[HateTheFake]

moltenrock for twl head mod

[Salubrious]

moltenrock 4 TWL head flip-flopper 2007

[moltenrock]

Yea, real hilarious. Flip-flopper? I think I said in my post that my opinion changed after talking to Conf. I still state that staff does not unfairly choose, however I personally think that Fistula should have got in.

Jeez, grow up NoLimitSoldier, whoever you are.
That is of course, assuming that you were being sarcastic. Otherwise, ignore above line.

[PjOtTeR]

As this will already be boring to the max... I suggest staff to cut down the # of twl-j squads to 11...
Also the squads in TWL should just be invite only... Have a few well respected players decide what squads should get in for each league..
This way you can decide a nice number of squads to participate in twl for it to be good and challenging..
In example, if you had invite only, you could've made TWLB for example 8 teams only, since like the 9th to 12th team are rubbish anyways...
Same goes for TWLJ, 8 might have been sufficient..

This way you keep TWL special and competition better...
Now it's more of an "be active and get in league" while it's supposed to be a "if you're really good you might get in this league"...

But it's really hard to change this now since staff changed the entire structure cause it would be "better" for the zone...

[Pure_Luck]

Let's go over acouple things,


If you goto twl.trenchwars.org and read the rules section you see this:

2.02
In order for a Trench Wars Division (www.twdivisions.org) squad to qualify for TWL consideration, that squad must meet all Trench Wars Leagues requirements as noted in Section V. Twelve squads will be chosen with requirements based on both TWD standings, including but not limited to, both Rating and Average Opponent Rating. In addition, the squad must have played a minimum of 15 matches in the respective division (Dueling, Javelins, & Basing) they are attempting to qualify for.

as it says including but not limited to both rating and average opponent rating. Your argument that you had a better Average opponent rating against other squads you lacked the rating part by alot.. I think this was a close decision to be honest on both sides. The fact that you only played 17 games doesnt' really even factor into the decision except that it is EVEN easier to get your AVERAGE OPPONENT RATING higher.

[moltenrock]

Like I said, staff doesn't choose unfairly. =/

I guess it was close like P_L said.


Coming to your house by the way Pure.

[Rule]

Let's go over acouple things,


If you goto twl.trenchwars.org and read the rules section you see this:

2.02
In order for a Trench Wars Division (www.twdivisions.org) squad to qualify for TWL consideration, that squad must meet all Trench Wars Leagues requirements as noted in Section V. Twelve squads will be chosen with requirements based on both TWD standings, including but not limited to, both Rating and Average Opponent Rating. In addition, the squad must have played a minimum of 15 matches in the respective division (Dueling, Javelins, & Basing) they are attempting to qualify for.

as it says including but not limited to both rating and average opponent rating. Your argument that you had a better Average opponent rating against other squads you lacked the rating part by alot.. I think this was a close decision to be honest on both sides. The fact that you only played 17 games doesnt' really even factor into the decision except that it is EVEN easier to get your AVERAGE OPPONENT RATING higher.

Maybe instead of picking apart a portion of their opinion you can provide a valid explanation for the decision making process. #s of games should not even be mentioned as the requirement was met. I hope Average Opponent rating is not the basis for the decision, as it is flawed, and while the rules may state it, it has never been mentioned publicly. Sticking to your guns, is only worthwhile when you have a real argument, when you have very close decisions, should find a better way to resolve them - EG the traditional way of having the squads compete for the final spot.

A look at Plade's jding record:


Oct 09 3pm loss lifeban 0 - 2 -21
Oct 09 2pm loss Disoblige 0 - 2 -10
Oct 09 9am loss SagE 1 - 2 -16
Oct 09 7am loss SagE 0 - 2 -19
Oct 08 4pm loss Pandora 0 - 2 -10
Oct 08 2pm loss Style 1 - 2 -11
Oct 08 1pm loss Thunder 1 - 2 -17
Oct 08 11am loss Pandora 1 - 2 -13
Oct 07 8pm loss dicE 0 - 2 -8
Oct 07 8pm loss Hydra 0 - 2 -13
Oct 07 7pm win HeraCY 2 - 1 19
Oct 07 1pm win HeraCY 2 - 1 21
Oct 07 11am win MYM 2 - 1 31
Oct 07 9am loss Thunder 1 - 2 -15
Oct 07 9am loss dicE 0 - 2 -9
Oct 07 2am win Tough 2 - 1 12
Oct 06 1pm loss Pandora 0 - 2 -17
Oct 06 11am loss dicE 0 - 2 -8
Oct 06 10am loss dicE 0 - 2 -9
Oct 05 11am win SagE 2 - 1 30
Oct 04 4pm win Tough 2 - 0 15
Oct 04 4pm win lifeban 2 - 0 34
Oct 04 3pm loss dicE 1 - 2 -7
Oct 04 2pm win Paladen 2 - 1 24
Oct 04 1pm win lifeban 2 - 1 39
Oct 04 12pm loss dicE 1 - 2 -6
Oct 04 11am loss Pandora 0 - 2 -11
Oct 04 10am loss Pandora 0 - 2 -12
Oct 04 9am loss Pandora 1 - 2 -14
Oct 04 9am loss Disoblige 1 - 2 -10
Oct 03 2pm loss Disoblige 0 - 2 -11
Oct 03 1pm win Mambo 2 - 0 35
Oct 03 11am loss MYM 1 - 2 -17
Oct 03 10am win pUMa 2 - 0 12
Oct 03 9am win pUMa 2 - 0 13
Oct 02 4pm loss Thunder 0 - 2 -13
Oct 02 3pm loss MYM 1 - 2 -19
Oct 02 1pm win lifeban 2 - 1 37
Oct 02 12pm win Spastic 2 - 0 25
Oct 02 11am loss Mambo 1 - 2 -15
Oct 01 4pm loss Style 1 - 2 -11
Oct 01 1pm win lifeban 2 - 1 34
Oct 01 11am loss SagE 1 - 2 -16
Oct 01 11am loss SagE 0 - 2 -19
Oct 01 10am loss MYM 0 - 2 -19
Oct 01 9am loss Thunder 1 - 2 -15
Sep 30 5pm loss SagE 0 - 2 -24
Sep 29 2pm loss HeraCY 0 - 2 -28
Sep 29 1pm loss dicE 0 - 2 -12
Sep 29 9am win MYM 2 - 0 25
Sep 28 7am loss SagE 1 - 2 -26
Sep 27 2pm loss Style 0 - 2 -20
Sep 27 2pm loss Disoblige 0 - 2 -19
Sep 27 1pm win Style 2 - 0 33
Sep 27 1pm loss Disoblige 0 - 2 -19
Sep 27 10am loss Thunder 0 - 2 -26
Sep 27 10am win Disoblige 2 - 0 33
Sep 27 9am win Thunder 2 - 1 31
Sep 26 2pm loss Mambo 0 - 2 -27
Sep 26 1pm win Thunder 2 - 1 32
Sep 26 12pm loss Thunder 0 - 2 -20
Sep 26 11am loss Thunder 0 - 2 -24
Sep 26 9am win SagE 2 - 1 29
Sep 24 2pm loss Hydra 0 - 2 -9
Sep 24 1pm loss Thunder 0 - 2 -22
Sep 24 12pm win dicE 2 - 0 37
Sep 24 11am win Mambo 2 - 1 28
Sep 24 10am loss Thunder 0 - 2 -18
Sep 23 6pm loss dicE 0 - 2 -13
Sep 23 3pm win Pandora 2 - 0 33
Sep 23 2pm win Heist 2 - 0 21
Sep 23 12pm win SagE 2 - 1 38
Sep 23 11am win Pandora 2 - 0 41
Sep 23 10am win Still Shining 2 - 0 29
Sep 23 9am loss Mambo 0 - 2 -16
Sep 23 8am loss SagE 0 - 2 -12
Sep 23 7am loss SagE 1 - 2 -13
Sep 22 5pm loss Pandora 0 - 2 -9


Plade is active and playing lots right before TWL qualification , and continues to lose and lose and lose...And builds up a high average opponent rating a long the way. I don't think a squad should be rewarded for simply playing higher ranked opponents and getting beaten time after time. It is a flawed system when that is the outcome.

[Lame]

You can't deny that Rule is right. The fact that people who have nothing to do with Fistula and have been around for 10 years (!) - Rule we are getting old - have problems with cloudy decisions as this, says something.
I don't see the problem in taking another look at your decision to see if there shouldn't be another solution, for instance: a qualifying match.
Let democracy be your guide.