The "Bubs" of politics

[HateTheFake]

gal most advocates for pro-life have been people who made the horrid decision to abort. Often times woman have total breakdowns from this and wish they had someone step in to help. Then you have the other forced abortions where the boyfriend, friends or family, force the girl to have one. Everyone talks about people dying in the iraq war, weve only lost 4k in soldiers compared to the hundreds of thousand abortions. Both can easily be compared to as needless deaths.

[Nickname]

rofl of course they are, they use techniques like cutting, burning, and vacuming.

tire iron. it works like a charm.

[Galleleo]

Well, in my opinion, its a personal thing, everyone that has an abortion (or at least 99%) takes plenty of time to think about it, weigh their options, think again and then have it if absolutely necessary.

So that is where I will end this discussion from my part.

I just want to add 1 thing, you cannot say that someone has no morals just for thinking abortion is something personal.

[Singularity]

Because my dear Galleleo, if you would see abortion as murder you CAN'T let people decide for themselves about it, just as much as we won't say "ah, I don't give a fuck if you kill random people, I just decided I won't do it myself". We have establish laws to prevent that from happening, anti abortionists want to same done for abortion (and euthenasia). That's the whole point of the ongoing discussion about it. I don't agree with them most of the times, but I see why there is a discussion about it at all.

[Galleleo]

Why cant you just respect peoples choices? I think abortion is a very personal thing and it should be up to those involved to make that decision, not someone from the outside telling them what to do. You are against it? Good for you, don't do it then, as Jerome pointed out, but leave other people free to make their own choices.

[genocidal]

Kill yourself.

[HateTheFake]

rofl of course they are, they use techniques like cutting, burning, and vacuming.

[Epinephrine]

I dont know where you are from, but i dont know about brutaly murdered, most animal deaths are quick. There are actual laws in america to regulate this. Maybe not where your from. Maybe you all beat your animals to death with sticks or something

Aborted fetuses aren't brutally murdered either... so what's your point.

[Singularity]

My suggestion to NLS: Learn to critically evaluate sources: from what I have seen in this thread you have trouble seeing whether it is outdated, questionable or outright bullshit. This skill is VERY important in any medical or general scientific field, and one cannot call oneself a scientist without it.

[DoTheFandango]

Galleleo you assume way too much, im getting a pre-med degree yes, but im going into the field of pharmaceuticals.

smoke weed every day.

[HateTheFake]

Galleleo you assume way too much, im getting a pre-med degree yes, but im going into the field of pharmaceuticals.

[Galleleo]

So you are pre-med, hoping to be a doctor one day.

You say, if a mother dies in childbirth, which could have been prevented by an abortion, the mother has lived her life and that it was meant to be.

So, how are you gonna treat people? Obviously if people get sick, they have lived their life and it is meant to be. Surely you are not gonna save their lives and mess with Gods plans?

[schope]

[gran guerrero]

and definitely not anywhere near being capable of reproducing*,
*this, of course, comes with the usual exceptions. you know who you are.

oh I c wat u did thar, clever boy you.

[Jerome Scuggs]

if youre against abortion ... dont have one

ez as that

i think we all need to take some time out so we can reconsider this post, because i think it's pretty good. to be a bit more specific, since we are all males, on a video game forum, and definitely not anywhere near being capable of reproducing*, why is this issue even relevant?

nolimitsoldier, i will not argue your beliefs - because everyone's entitled to their own opinions, and at the end of the day that's all that really matters. but you really should beware of making such broad, generalized claims about issues that do not concern you. i know - to you, it's murder, but don't be so quick to judge. there are people here, on this world, who do not have lives so easy that they can spend their leisure time arguing issues on forums - as a matter of fact, they might be in a hospital somewhere, fighting for their life, and someone is going to have to choose: baby or mother.

it's some hard shit, dude. on the same token, though, there are in all likelihood even more mothers who are living irresponsibly, getting knocked up, and having abortions galore. but man, it's going to happen, and it doesn't affect you.

all in all, everyone here is correct- your beliefs are the result of whatever you've experienced. issues as complex as abortion should not find their way into mainstream politics. in democracy, there's a winner and a loser - when a law is passed, someone will win, someone will lose. when you try to apply that same logic to a topic like abortion, you know what that is? it's as murder as abortion itself. it causes harm.

if you feel like abortion is wrong, then don't have an abortion. life is too short to spend it worrying about what the other 6 billion people on earth are doing with their fetuses.

*this, of course, comes with the usual exceptions. you know who you are.