The "Bubs" of politics

[genocidal]

Where the only pleasure you receive is from the deaths of the unborn. I guess black and white, would be better then the red blood on your hands.

IT'S NOT PLEASURE IT'S POWER OK?

[HateTheFake]

So for all cases, if the mother aborts the baby, that's "murder." But if the baby kills the mother upon childbirth, that's okay? How do you legitimize this to yourself? I wish my world was so black and white.

I dont know how you couldnt, it must be hard living in the world of such hate and pain. Where the only pleasure you receive is from the deaths of the unborn. I guess black and white, would be better then the red blood on your hands.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

No saving the life of a baby is ok.

So for all cases, if the mother aborts the baby, that's "murder." But if the baby kills the mother upon childbirth, that's okay? How do you legitimize this to yourself? I wish my world was so black and white.

I guess being an asshole is universal where your from. riggght?

Yep. We're all assholes. Even the dead babies.

[HateTheFake]

There's also other ways to survive than killing animals.

Animals are used more then just for food. But apparently living in a box doesnt allow you to view the real world often, does it?

[HateTheFake]

So murdering (your words, not mine) the mother is okay. Gotcha. I guess some life really IS more precious than others.

No saving the life of a baby is ok.

Pre-med? Riiiight. Remind me to never get sick in Arkansas.

I guess being an asshole is universal where your from. riggght?

[genocidal]

Getting into the business of judging the value of lives is tantamount to genocide (which is, oddly enough, what people like NoLimit equate abortion to).

If we just eat them though they're all worth the same thing (maybe the fat ones are worth more but I would argue that skinnier ones have more energy, and therefore power, in their brains so it offsets itself).

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

ive personally experienced this and through my experience i would say no, its not ok.

So murdering (your words, not mine) the mother is okay. Gotcha. I guess some life really IS more precious than others.

Whos to say the kid doesnt? Afterall the kid is alive during a time of technological advances. Doesnt he after all have a better shot at finding a cure?

How do you know that? How do you know that the kid won't contract the flu in a few weeks and die anyway? How do you know that he doesn't get placed in foster care, get abused, then go on a killing rampage when he's twenty? You're making wild conjecture, just like I am. The difference is that I'm not making a blanket statement about "who's life is more important." People don't take the abortion decision lightly (like Singularity has already mentioned), but it shouldn't be an "always no."

My name is Nolimit and im a pre-med not all the way done with college major

Pre-med? Riiiight. Remind me to never get sick in Arkansas.

Because theres other non lethal ways to receive those stem cells.

There's also other ways to survive than killing animals.

[genocidal]

I bet babies taste pretty good, if prepared correctly.

[HateTheFake]

You were legitimizing the killing of animals specifically because we utilize it to survive. If aborted embryos are used for stem cell research (which could ultimately lead to cures for disease, thereby promoting survival), why is that any different?

Because theres other non lethal ways to receive those stem cells.

[HateTheFake]

Apart from completely making up a rough statistic--the question remains. Is that okay, by your own standards?

ive personally experienced this and through my experience i would say no, its not ok.

Who's making that call? You? By using your own logic that you've presented earlier in this thread, who's to say that she wouldn't go on and cure AIDS?

Whos to say the kid doesnt? Afterall the kid is alive during a time of technological advances. Doesnt he after all have a better shot at finding a cure?

My name is Nolimit and im a pre-med not all the way done with college major

[genocidal]

Okay this time I seriously found the solution to the abortion debate:

If we just eat the dead babies then it won't be a waste of human life. In addition to getting sustenance, eating babies would allow us to procure their brain and heart and thus their power (energy). Therefore, their lifeforce won't be wasted either!

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Stem cells can be gathered from babies through there umbilical cords, what other kind of awnser would you need.

You were legitimizing the killing of animals specifically because we utilize it to survive. If aborted embryos are used for stem cell research (which could ultimately lead to cures for disease, thereby promoting survival), why is that any different?

[Singularity]

o a what if question. What if that was the reason for all abortions. Unfortunately this cause may only contribute to around 10 percent if that.

Ok in the case where the mother is involved, is it not true the mother has lived her life. Id view this like i would view a heart transplant, if i would have 1 heart, and had to decide between a woman in her 20s or a child id give the heart to the child.

Would you consider making it illegal for others to donate the heart to the woman instead of the child? You probably would not, as everyone should have a choice in such a matter. The reason you made the choice is that you view the unborn child as very important, most other people would argue that a sentient being that has proven to function in society would be more valuable/has more of a right to live?. (More ethicals dilemmas wait around the corner here, as in, what age would be the threshold, how valuable should one be).
Same logic applies to abortion, with the distinction that the amount of importance we attach to an embryo increase with the coming closer to being born. It is all factored in the equation.

[HateTheFake]

Stem cells can be gathered from babies through there umbilical cords, what other kind of awnser would you need.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Still waiting on that stem cell answer.

EDIT: In the meantime:

o a what if question. What if that was the reason for all abortions. Unfortunately this cause may only contribute to around 10 percent if that.

Apart from completely making up a rough statistic--the question remains. Is that okay, by your own standards?

Ok in the case where the mother is involved, is it not true the mother has lived her life.

Who's making that call? You? By using your own logic that you've presented earlier in this thread, who's to say that she wouldn't go on and cure AIDS?

Id view this like i would view a heart transplant, if i would have 1 heart, and had to decide between a woman in her 20s or a child id give the heart to the child.

But why? Just because the mother is older? That's pretty ridiculous.

This might go by easier if you just replied "I'm a monster and believe in the right for an innocent life to be taken." Because that would be easier to defend, because based on the medical info ive seen. You would be wrong there. Anything else and you will look like a douche

My name is ConcreteSchlyrd, and I'm a college-educated monster (on the basketball court). I believe in the rights of people to make educated decisions for themselves.