U.S. National Debt

[curse]

i wish i had known this when i was being shoved in the back of the police car.

the reality is that people are not the same, there are some people who lead, some who follow, some who think, some who labor, some who do varying degrees of all of those or none at all, &c.. and that no matter how society is organized - whether it be organized externally via a state apparatus or, ideally, self-organizing - there will be authority and, therefore, coercion.

what i just don't get is why can't you just talk about individuals, their sovereignty, and the idea of natural law? instead of trees with special powers? how am i the insane one here?

thats part of it too!

[curse]

lol... I'm not going to take offense from someone who just likened insanity with reason and logic.

So, the following explanation is said with much hope, no offense:

Curse's metaphor implies that there are 2 groups of people. The trees and the people who maintain the trees. That implies there is a fundemental difference.

But, the reality is that we're all the same. You can't go put on a costume (e.g. cop uniform) and all of a sudden change fundementally.

For example, the initiation of force (i.e. violence) against another is evil regardless of what you're wearing.

ya thats part of it.

[saetep]

but if you cancel the space program then how will we discover hot alien chicks? plz think before u post thx

[Tigron-X]

i wish i had known this when i was being shoved in the back of the police car.

the reality is that people are not the same, there are some people who lead, some who follow, some who think, some who labor, some who do varying degrees of all of those or none at all, &c.. and that no matter how society is organized - whether it be organized externally via a state apparatus or, ideally, self-organizing - there will be authority and, therefore, coercion.

what i just don't get is why can't you just talk about individuals, their sovereignty, and the idea of natural law? instead of trees with special powers? how am i the insane one here?

I'm not the one who brought up the tree metaphor. And, I'm definitely not the one assigning special powers to trees.

I'm saying we're all the same. You're human, and I'm human. There is nothing stopping you from putting on a police uniform except your own willingness to do so. And, if you decided to act as a police officer, your fundemental properties do not change. You don't become a different being.

Whether you are tall, black, a writer, a construction worker, an architect, a police officer, a king etc, that doesn't change your fundemental properties as a human.

There is universal prefered behavior. That's why you didn't like it when that officer shoved you into the back of his car.

I'm not saying there aren't people who aggress against others or that there isn't evil in the world. I'm saying that putting on a costume doesn't absolve one from evil.

In other words just because that man is classified as an officer, that doesn't mean you weren't aggressed against. His title, his uniform doesn't justify his actions. There is nothing that will justify the violence he used against you.

Currently, there isn't much one can do about it because such men are protected by an army. Military might doesn't give one moral ground just as an abusive parent doesn't make hitting his/her child right.

In other words, bullying people doesn't become moral because the victim can't stop it.

[Jerome Scuggs]

But, the reality is that we're all the same. You can't go put on a costume (e.g. cop uniform) and all of a sudden change fundementally.

i wish i had known this when i was being shoved in the back of the police car.

the reality is that people are not the same, there are some people who lead, some who follow, some who think, some who labor, some who do varying degrees of all of those or none at all, &c.. and that no matter how society is organized - whether it be organized externally via a state apparatus or, ideally, self-organizing - there will be authority and, therefore, coercion.

what i just don't get is why can't you just talk about individuals, their sovereignty, and the idea of natural law? instead of trees with special powers? how am i the insane one here?

[Tigron-X]

man i'm not trying to hate but seriously, i just imagine james madison sitting by the fire one night, reading through insane letters filled with incredible feats of reason and logic, and then at the bottom of the pile there's just this one jizz-soaked letter, with this post as its only contents

lol... I'm not going to take offense from someone who just likened insanity with reason and logic.

So, the following explanation is said with much hope, no offense:

Curse's metaphor implies that there are 2 groups of people. The trees and the people who maintain the trees. That implies there is a fundemental difference.

But, the reality is that we're all the same. You can't go put on a costume (e.g. cop uniform) and all of a sudden change fundementally.

For example, the initiation of force (i.e. violence) against another is evil regardless of what you're wearing.

[Da1andonly]

Fit of Rage ITT soon!

[sixtoo]

quickest way to end national debt is to cancel the space program

[curse]

Perhaps you need to expand your mind further to allow yourself to understand. the earth is a tree in a forest ( the universe)

[Jerome Scuggs]

That's actually a really good point. If everyone is a tree, who or what are the so called "caretakers" of the "forest?" And why aren't they trees too? How come they have special powers?

man i'm not trying to hate but seriously, i just imagine james madison sitting by the fire one night, reading through insane letters filled with incredible feats of reason and logic, and then at the bottom of the pile there's just this one jizz-soaked letter, with this post as its only contents

[Tigron-X]

Though if you meant the metaphor more so in that we're just helpless trees and the "people" you speak of are some tree hugging activists then I wouldn't put to much faith in it/them. There are "people" out there working with more power and faster to deforest those trees than there are trying to save them.

That's actually a really good point. If everyone is a tree, who or what are the so called "caretakers" of the "forest?" And why aren't they trees too? How come they have special powers?

[Jerome Scuggs]

here are some individual trees i see in this forest (this metaphor is hilarious)
-free speech is now illegal on the gulf coast
-moves are being made to bring the internet under federal "supervision" (the 'kill switch', net neutrality, etc)
-photographing the police will apparently land you in jail
-...while a police officer who drives drunk and kills someone gets nothing but a week's suspension
-rising debt
-inflationary moves by the fed
-increased power for the fed
-california putting thousands of govt workers on minimum wage
-the dollar hegemony is being edged out for a world currency
-increased intervention in many areas of life

&c., &c.

[Stylez]

k done with this topic... u guys 2 noop to understand. prob also look at just individual trees instead of whole forest with trees in them LOL.

Why not try to preserve the "forests" by taking time out and survey each tree one at a time or even just in small portions? How would you know what the problem is in an entire forest when you don't take time to test for diseases, malnourishment, taking in what's going on within the wildlife surrounding the forest, and so on and so forth?

usa full of indivdual trees but theres people that maintain this forest to allow it 2 flourish.

Wouldn't the ones that you are implying that are trying to save the forests be individual trees themselves?

Though if you meant the metaphor more so in that we're just helpless trees and the "people" you speak of are some tree hugging activists then I wouldn't put to much faith in it/them. There are "people" out there working with more power and faster to deforest those trees than there are trying to save them.

Wow, how did I get myself into this retarded tangent?

[Tigron-X]

Yes! Let's maintain the forest without looking at a single tree!

Curse, public schooling did a real number on you for you to ignore how a man such as Hitler could even possibly come into power. It's like you're blind to US hegemony.

Anyways... Who is maintaining this metaphorical forest? Statism is dead.

[curse]

k done with this topic... u guys 2 noop to understand. prob also look at just individual trees instead of whole forest with trees in them LOL.

usa full of indivdual trees but theres people that maintain this forest to allow it 2 flourish.