Obamacare

[DKFett]

I'm interested to hear why someone who is 1) employed 2) dependent on obamacare for a job 3) just a generally super white girl 4) will literally never, ever be affected by obamacare ever ("but prices will rise!!!" right like they were on the downturn before the ACA) would have any opinion on it whatsoever.

Is she not Asian?

[Jerome Scuggs]

As much as I disagree with Obamacare, it guarantees I'm going to have a job for as long as it's a law...

I'm interested to hear why someone who is 1) employed 2) dependent on obamacare for a job 3) just a generally super white girl 4) will literally never, ever be affected by obamacare ever ("but prices will rise!!!" right like they were on the downturn before the ACA) would have any opinion on it whatsoever.

[Pandagirl!]

As much as I disagree with Obamacare, it guarantees I'm going to have a job for as long as it's a law...

[DKFett]

You are unlearned without knowledge. ALL, not some, but all evidence shows Man mande global warming was an on-purpose hoax fraud to act as a false flag operation for control and a global carbon tax, also eugenics population reduction to halt the development of the third world. you are unaware that Warming causes a rise in CO2 and that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. You are unaware that the icevap has grown 60% in the past one year. You are unaware that there is no consensus of scientists on global warming.

You are uneducated, without knowledge & typing from your imagination.

This picture appeared in fox, dailymail, and mainstream news:

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/global_warming_fraud_arctic_ice_sheet_grew_920k_squaremiles_aug2012_to_aug2013.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

And you are the kind of asshole who calls somebody "unlearned without knowledge" and says things like "on-purpose hoax fraud"

[Tone]

we are just in a shitty mess right now

1) bush administration spends billions and puts us in a huge deficit over joke wars through political propaganda...**** used 9/11 (terrorist attacks carried out by al-qaeda who mainly operate from pakistan/afghanistan) to somehow justify going into iraq and trying to "stabilize" a government that is still costing us billions. indian intelligence has been telling the US for about 10 years that bin laden was in Pakistan LOL...yet the US chooses to ally with Pakistan and gives them the benefit of the doubt.

2) because of these joke wars our economy takes a massive hit (we were doing fine under the clinton administration...even a surplus!)...oil prices sky rocket, banks flop, major companies flop, jobs lost, real estate prices flop, student loan interest rates rise

3) and now this healthcare garbage creeps up on us due to terrible political decisions and everything mentioned in #2 gets put on hold...lets see what these fks do after January

and to add flavor to the crisis...ridiculous topics such as gay marriage, global warming being a conspiracy, and gun control pop up...these are common sense issues that the government uses to exploit the citizens and side track them from the essential ones

still the best country in the world but at times all that is left to say is........'murica

You are unlearned without knowledge. ALL, not some, but all evidence shows Man mande global warming was an on-purpose hoax fraud to act as a false flag operation for control and a global carbon tax, also eugenics population reduction to halt the development of the third world. you are unaware that Warming causes a rise in CO2 and that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. You are unaware that the icevap has grown 60% in the past one year. You are unaware that there is no consensus of scientists on global warming.

You are uneducated, without knowledge & typing from your imagination.

This picture appeared in fox, dailymail, and mainstream news:

http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/global_warming_fraud_arctic_ice_sheet_grew_920k_squaremiles_aug2012_to_aug2013.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

[Tone]

Its part of a stage plan to bankrupt America & make healthcare worse on purpose. Its intentional purpose is to raise the cost, lower the quality of healthcare. Part of a eugenics population reduction program all pre-planned. You think its policy, accidental, political philosophies, & that there is no on-purpose plan to reduce healthcare under the guise of increasing it. This is because you are unlearned & naive & do not understand the evil you are dealing with.

[Jerome Scuggs]

If Nixon campaigned on "I Promise to Cover-Up Presidential Crimes" and got elected on it, and Bush campaigned on "I Promise to Eviscerate the Bill of Rights (And Invade a Few Countries While I'm At It") and got elected on it, then I guess I see where you're coming from comparing them to Obama, who campaigned on "I Will Give Insurance To The Uninsured" and got elected on it.

edit: because it's relevant, here's the origins of Obamacare

[Crescent Seal]

we are just in a shitty mess right now

1) bush administration spends billions and puts us in a huge deficit over joke wars through political propaganda...**** used 9/11 (terrorist attacks carried out by al-qaeda who mainly operate from pakistan/afghanistan) to somehow justify going into iraq and trying to "stabilize" a government that is still costing us billions. indian intelligence has been telling the US for about 10 years that bin laden was in Pakistan LOL...yet the US chooses to ally with Pakistan and gives them the benefit of the doubt.

2) because of these joke wars our economy takes a massive hit (we were doing fine under the clinton administration...even a surplus!)...oil prices sky rocket, banks flop, major companies flop, jobs lost, real estate prices flop, student loan interest rates rise

3) and now this healthcare garbage creeps up on us due to terrible political decisions and everything mentioned in #2 gets put on hold...lets see what these fks do after January

and to add flavor to the crisis...ridiculous topics such as gay marriage, global warming being a conspiracy, and gun control pop up...these are common sense issues that the government uses to exploit the citizens and side track them from the essential ones

still the best country in the world but at times all that is left to say is........'murica

Racism isn't permitted on forums. -Left_Eye

[Crescent Seal]

[Ephemeral]

That’s easy Jerome, they are betting that come next election they will be able to say ‘I told you so’. That ‘almost driving our country to default’ will mean less to people than what this will turn into. Frankly, I give Obama credit for having the balls to put his entire Presidency on the line over this web site and this healthcare plan. He is risking being remembered by history in a light far worse than Nixon and Bush.
eph

[Jerome Scuggs]

I'm sorry, but is there any piece of legislation written at any time in American history that wouldn't fit the same basic script? Like, name one law that:

-worked as intended on a national scale
-saved us money
-increased or otherwise neutrally affected civil/human rights
-didn't create as many/more problems as it caused

What is so unique about Obamacare that the GOP felt the need to almost drive our country to default over it?

[bkgmjo]

US will run into the same problems other countries have with general health care or other systems like forced unemployment insurance and so on. It being based on income rather than wealth and corruption in the system are just two of them. But on the other side wherever this kind of health care has been introduced crime and social trouble have been reduced extremely in comparison to any other thing, also education gets a boost from it. Basically it's leading to a much more stable state which the US badly needs. But then again less cash for guns, drugs and huge cars like in middle east and other third world states, which are in a lot of ways very similar to the US. Up to you to decide what is better.

[Ephemeral]

Obamacare has been pretty big news and I am surprised that there aren’t any threads on it in here. And although I can’t help but think that if this had been the brainchild of the Bush administration that this forum would have been loaded with flames but this certainly seems to transcend any Republicans vs. Democrat debate.

I’ll be the first to agree that the US health care system needs fixing. No one wants to see people dying or losing quality of life because they cannot afford proper health care. But why do so many Americans limit their perspective to those who only live close to them? How can we argue that everyone who lives close to us should have access to affordable health care when there are thousands of people dying because they don’t have access to 87 cents worth of malaria drugs?

And putting aside the debate concerning that Obamacare is really just a method meant to redistribute wealth (which historically hasn’t ever worked in any country); why would anyone think for a second that allowing the dumbass politicians in Washington to get their fingers in this pie would ever turn out to be a good thing? These morons have spent well over $350 million, and may be closer to $600 million, on the development of this web site. In comparison Apple only spent $150 million on the development of the original iPhone according to Forbes.

And this is just the beginning of the failure of Obamacare. The true cost of Obamacare is now just being understood by everyone, turns out there is no free lunch (imagine that). Surely no one thought that the insurance companies were going just eat the cost of adding 47 million bad risk Americans, no matter if they have preexisting conditions or can’t really pay, to their rolls. I know many people and companies who have already be told their insurance costs will be doubling or more. And of course there are the 14 million Americans who had insurance and were promised that they could keep it but now are finding out that they cannot and will be required to buy new, more costly insurance. And did people really think that Washington was just going to shit new money to cover the ‘discounts’ they are giving to those who can’t afford it now?

Additionally the ‘marketplace’ is a joke, it is all the same insurance plan. The only thing that differs in the plans are the levels of deductables. If you go with private companies you will discover all kinds of ways to customize health insurance options. It is just like choosing a car, you may want gas economy, the ability to haul things in a van or truck, or have a kick ass sound system. But according to these politicians everyone should be choosing between 3-4 Kias.

Have any of you exactly gone through the web site process; it’s a cluster fuck. Imagine spending 4-5 hours trying to get through this web site only to find out after your have entered your personal info that you should have “no reasonable expectation of privacy.” This is the kind of shit you get when you put politicians in control of almost 20% of the US gross domestic product.
And the entire thing is based only on a person’s income!!!! (Not wealth.) So in other words, you can live in a 5 million dollar house, drive a paid for Lamborghini, and vacation in Switzerland and still qualify for large discounts on your health insurance because they only consider your actual income.

This isn’t about Republicans or Democrats, this is about career politicians carving out every bigger pieces of the pie for their control. WTF were people thinking; that politicians would do a good job by getting their hands on healthcare?
eph