MMR in a Nutshell

[LeeRomeno]

If a player is good enough to win those games 95% of the time, they will climb and not be in those games for very long. This is a disadvantage of everybody starting at 3k and should auto correct itself over time with enough games played.

True, but lets say u have 9 top players with !p, they all cannot fit if there are 2 4v4 games. This happens more often than not, but of course over the time and if everyone involved has at least 50-60 games, it should get better.

[beam]

My 2 cents on this. The so called JR arena games are quite often decided by 1 high star player, who somehow also ends up thrown in the mix. For example in jav, there are 7 average joes and then 1 freq has roiwerk or dreamwin or ease or vys or someone else and that freq wins 95% of times, even if other freq has slightly better newbies than other freq. So in reality the MMR rating of the newbies is purely based on if they are lucky enough to be on that freq. In that scenario, mixing 2 arenas with equal freqs makes more sense.
At the same time if that is not the case, i can see why its preferred mode and definitely the main arena game is better in both ways.

If a player is good enough to win those games 95% of the time, they will climb and not be in those games for very long. This is a disadvantage of everybody starting at 3k and should auto correct itself over time with enough games played.

[LeeRomeno]

My 2 cents on this. The so called JR arena games are quite often decided by 1 high star player, who somehow also ends up thrown in the mix. For example in jav, there are 7 average joes and then 1 freq has roiwerk or dreamwin or ease or vys or someone else and that freq wins 95% of times, even if other freq has slightly better newbies than other freq. So in reality the MMR rating of the newbies is purely based on if they are lucky enough to be on that freq. In that scenario, mixing 2 arenas with equal freqs makes more sense.
At the same time if that is not the case, i can see why its preferred mode and definitely the main arena game is better in both ways.

[beam]

You realise that a 24 hour ban isn't really a punishment right? Try 24 days and people might care.

It's basically a warning and the next time will be more severely punished.

[Rab]

You realise that a 24 hour ban isn't really a punishment right? Try 24 days and people might care.

[beam]

That is even worse. Leaving it up to the host to decide game modes is easily abusable. I've seen beam abuse like 3 times already. Aggi and ogron are constantly rage quitting games ruining ratings for people without consequence. Honestly MMR is turning into a mess it didn't need to be. Keep it pure and simple and collect and compile the true data for analysis. As it is now the low tier games are wildly unbalanced while certain players who are not very good are getting carried to maintain their ratings who are currently higher rated.

What rating setting is the bot using to decide lines for the twdd3 lines it is making? Do hosts get to decide the rating specifics there too?

Make MMR pure again. It serves no purpose segregating games other than to dilute ELO info which is breaking the entire point of this...

Aggi and Ogron were both banned for 24 hours from MMR for ragequitting their games just like you were banned 24 hours for ragequitting your game last night. Without subs being available and the inability to add players after the game starts, there's no option other than to kill a game or let it finish 3v4/4v5 if a player leaves early or specs on go. This is something qan is working on, but as the game mode is still in a testing period, it is not perfect.

As far as the MTT command goes, the general opinion seems to be that it is much better overall. If you feel as though you are too good for the matches in dd4/jd4, then you should be able to win them consistently enough that you climb to a rating in which you get matched to the games in dd3/jd3. MMR is based on an elo system and elo systems are designed for you to face similar skilled competition. The system was not designed so 1000 rated players could get matched with 5000 rated players. The players in both games should be much closer in skill and rating than they were in the original matchmaking system.

[Cape]

Its a work in progress

Abusing mods and people rage quitting will always occur in some percent of games.

[Rab]

MMR has killed basing.

There are zero bds for uk/eu now, even if I stay up late.

Most mornings I see Ogron was trying to get a bd started at 3am.

Not saying that's necessarily wrong tho, if most ppl prefer it then fine. I just expect a lower star rating next DT because I can't practice.

[Jessup]

It is up to the host if they want to make it a two tier game.

There is still an option to run draft tournament style games.

I like the option of both.

Also, get a room.

That is even worse. Leaving it up to the host to decide game modes is easily abusable. I've seen beam abuse like 3 times already. Aggi and ogron are constantly rage quitting games ruining ratings for people without consequence. Honestly MMR is turning into a mess it didn't need to be. Keep it pure and simple and collect and compile the true data for analysis. As it is now the low tier games are wildly unbalanced while certain players who are not very good are getting carried to maintain their ratings who are currently higher rated.

What rating setting is the bot using to decide lines for the twdd3 lines it is making? Do hosts get to decide the rating specifics there too?

Make MMR pure again. It serves no purpose segregating games other than to dilute ELO info which is breaking the entire point of this...

[Cape]

It is up to the host if they want to make it a two tier game.

There is still an option to run draft tournament style games.

I like the option of both.

Also, get a room.

[Rab]

get a room

[Jessup]

You were the aliaser who made the thread and versed me the whole time. Nice gaslighting loser ..

[ag$]

I'm trolling ? Lol
there's a 12 page thread of you laming elim with people tryna get you banned from that too.

https://forums.trenchwars.com/main/1...im-from-jessup

Like I said you're deluded
I'll let you run your mouth apparently you can do it more than you run in game.

Good talk.

[Jessup]

This dumb troll idiot who cheats by teaming me every elim and literally has a forum tag vsing me, decides to make it about me and not focus on what I said and how ELO ratings and MMR were designed to be integrated into the zone. Plus, you are full of shit aggi with your analysis of games I play in.

The fact is, segregating MMR into two tiers makes ELO ratings FAKE NEWS and stifles an already difficult situation due to small player pools and makes the situation even worse.

Stop fixating on me so much you stalker creep.

[ag$]

So has ogron somehow convinced staff to segregate mmr lines every game where lower ranked players are always thrown into shit line games? This is NOT how MMR is designed in theory to work and perpetuates a stacked lopsided game selection that negatively impacts rankings. This MMR idea was for the entire zone to compete against each other evenly and not perpetuate the typical lopsided results that happen when people get carried by top players over and over.

MMR JR arena is BREAKING ELO RATINGS and is even worse than it was. Fix it NOW please.

The audacity..

You legit fuck over every team you're apart of..
Everyone sees you every 3 games on 3-5 deaths WHILE YOUR ENTIRE TEAM is out doubling the time the game runs as you run around the entire fukin map 3x each death and try and kami off a rock - Closing your eyes as you bounce off the rock hoping to survive to continue running or get a kill in the lamest fashion.

You're braindead and ruining games.

Also you start with 3000 elo yet you've somehow managed to be sub 3000 while playing 100+ games.

What makes you think you belong in the big leagues?
you're just a deluded self-entitled brat

Even I don't, but at least I know my place since I try and contribute to my team not the same braindead style that you've been doing forever.

Why would elite players want to have dead weight like you/fingerbang etc on their team when they want competitive games that are challenging for them?

Learn to play (be an actual teammate) and you'll naturally ascend to the higher arena
Sick and tired of you always playing victim with your selfish gameplay.