Basing Cup Power Rankings Week 3

[Rab]

I wouldn't call it a decision not to protect terr, coz that implies terr isn't protected. Sia and Henry were there, and Mouse would have been too if he wasn't typing. So yeah I chose to trust them and not give up the potential tek I had lined up. I still think that's optimal.

Curious why Cape seemed to agree but then changed his mind.

[brethal]

I feel like giving 2c too, pushing under first was good and little bit of tunnel vision is fine, but once you got repped next to Spartan gotta turn and protect terr, had positional advantage too. What halppened before happened before, everyone makes mistakes but that was a decision to not protect terr

[Rab]

Next week I'll get ranted at for not being aggressive.
How about newbies just aim better and type less.

[apt]

I haven’t watched this stupid play u guys have managed to argue about in like 3 separate threads now, but order of operations is always protect terrier at number one, nothing else matters

higher meta in this situation if a rep less shark is also pushing opposite a spider vs ur terr, u split ur billets and rotation points between shark and spider. 1 bullet for shark so he can’t bomb, hold spider back, then return fire to shark

Ok gn

[Cape]

I hate to keep defending TPZ but its not a terrible play. It's the aggressive move to keep going forward and put it on your teammates to handle the threat, we were already down 7 mins. Hen just fkn missed.

Actually upon watching it again, I would have cleared before trying to move forward in under. You guys are right

[Rough]

What makes this video so bad is 1) Rab focused on a shark at an under position who had no impact on the play 2) Spartan was literally inches from him and still decided to ignore him to kill a repless shark 3) forced himself out of a contending 3-3 team to a 0-6 team loool..

[Rab]

Had you turned your focus to Spartan that '99%' would have been realized. Alas, you unwaveringly believe having your forehead glued to the monitor vs hulk's 3 reps was the "correct play and executed it correctly" was the leading factor in the 1% being realized.

That's only true if you ignore the rest of the team. The team does exist, so that doesn't mean anything.

[Dwopple]

Ekko:
- You're over-valuing Spartan because you know the impact he had. That spid in that situation is having no impact 99% of the time as he's dead 4 different ways.
- Probably also under-valuing the need for a tek, in that game we lose fr battles, need cram time. For argument's sake, if I do what you suggest, we lose anyway.

FWIW, I think you're undervaluing the impact your choice had on the outcome of this specific play. Mouse had a chance to kill Spartan, but it's pretty close to a 50/50 chance given the circumstances which he lost when 1 of his bullets hit the wall. Siaxis was pre-occupied dueling JAMAL & anticipating the rest of the enemy team attaching to ogron.

You had two choices, which both perspectives have already been analyzed enough in this thread.

Had you turned your focus to Spartan that '99%' would have been realized. Alas, you unwaveringly believe having your forehead glued to the monitor vs hulk's 3 reps was the "correct play and executed it correctly" was the leading factor in the 1% being realized.

You chose poorly here, in my opinion. Sorry bud.

[Rab]

Ekko:
- You're over-valuing Spartan because you know the impact he had. That spid in that situation is having no impact 99% of the time as he's dead 4 different ways.
- Probably also under-valuing the need for a tek, in that game we lose fr battles, need cram time. For argument's sake, if I do what you suggest, we lose anyway.

[Ekk0]

If that's your assessment of the situation you're just not as a good a player as your rating suggests. Lower rating for dwop next season imo.

I watched the play in question, you are correct that Mouse missed and hit a wall in a duel he could have won, but Dwopple is right, you should have turned and shot the second you saw Mouse die and went to clear Spartan. Siaxis could have also detached and turned back to clear him instead of missing 6 shots in a row on JAMAL. Overall it was 3 compounded bad plays by spiders which caused the opportunity for Spartan to get a TeK.

[Dwopple]

If that's your assessment of the situation you're just not as a good a player as your rating suggests. Lower rating for dwop next season imo.

Finally something we can agree on

[Rab]

If that's your assessment of the situation you're just not as a good a player as your rating suggests. Lower rating for dwop next season imo.

[Dwopple]

well, you can disagree, but you're wrong
imo it just shows you don't have good awareness of everything that's going on, timings and nrg of everyone.
there are many choices made in real time, many ways spartan should have died without me having to shoot him, many good things I could do instead given that knowledge.

mouse didn't need help, he shot a wall like a newbie.

you don't want hulk getting through behind you, that actually is a threat (unlike a low spartan).

bomb or mine doesn't make a diff, probably saw more hits on my screen at the time.

yes the tek was a possibility twice, there was a chance of doa-ing hulk either by me or cape (which didn't happen but look how close it was), then after siaxis committed left mythril died quickly so with hulk dead quickly there's a shark gap, getting through for the tek seems on until the bomb damage (in which case spartan wastes more nrg on me and henry gets that kill too).

Yes, I'm telling you you made poor real-time choices:

1. Choosing to hold control vs a 3 rep shark
2. Choosing not to assist with clearing behind you
3. Thinking you had a chance at a TeK when a 10* shark with 3 reps is between you and their terr

Hulk baited the fuck out of you to waste your energy on him as a distraction until he had enough energy to bomb us. Competent sharks do this all of the time. Your energy would have been better utilized clearing behind us, THEN focusing on hulk. If hulk makes it through, he has zero spids to rep for. Sure, he could have laid mines on our side but his reps wouldn't be used on protecting his spids and creating a much greater shark gap (especially seeing Mythril doa toward the end of this play). However, had you assisted with clearing our side it would've at least been you, mouse, or both taking care of hulk after Spartan.

You believing you made the right choice to go against a 10* shark with full reps speaks volumes about your decision making and basing intellect. You took hulk's bait and made a poor decision on this one, then rage quit when mouse called you out for it lol.

[Rab]

well, you can disagree, but you're wrong
imo it just shows you don't have good awareness of everything that's going on, timings and nrg of everyone.
there are many choices made in real time, many ways spartan should have died without me having to shoot him, many good things I could do instead given that knowledge.

mouse didn't need help, he shot a wall like a newbie.

you don't want hulk getting through behind you, that actually is a threat (unlike a low spartan).

bomb or mine doesn't make a diff, probably saw more hits on my screen at the time.

yes the tek was a possibility twice, there was a chance of doa-ing hulk either by me or cape (which didn't happen but look how close it was), then after siaxis committed left mythril died quickly so with hulk dead quickly there's a shark gap, getting through for the tek seems on until the bomb damage (in which case spartan wastes more nrg on me and henry gets that kill too).

[Dwopple]

xcuse me but fuk off

1. Play was not a fumble on my part. I made the correct play and executed it correctly. Other players fumbled, including mouse.

We're blessed with a recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk080u2YHg0&t=848s

Fumbles:
- Henry shouldn't have died
- Mouse shot a wall then typed and was slow to attach
- Henry shot a wall
- siaxis went left instead of defending jackie
- jackie had poor positioning and wasted a burst
- dwopple rammed

Me:
- killed Rough
- had a chance of a tek pincer with Cape
- killed hulk
- used some of sprack's nrg (if dwop hadn't rammed I would have had enough nrg to finish hulk and then fight sprack)

2. The reflection of my character is "I don't have to take shit from little bitches on the internet", it's true, I don't tolerate shit people irl either.

1. You're telling us you willingly focused a shark w/ full reps instead of helping mouse clear behind you? OK, then. No, that is not the "correct" play. Hulk would have continued under and used his reps on our side where he had no support spids, or fallen back to protect terr.

"dwopple rammed" - you mean the bomb hulk threw after you wasted all of your energy on his 3 reps instead of clearing behind us? smart.

"had a chance of a tek pincer with Cape" - can you count? your "chance" was wasted on a 3 rep shark aka you never had a chance, you never had your spaceship! (poor quote attempt at Fast & Furious)

I disagree with your analysis and reasoning of this play.