Appeal: TWDT-D playoffs round 3 Lag & luck vs Earthworm Jim

[Trasher]

Lag & Luck appeal round 3 of the TWDT-D playoffs game vs Earthworm Jim. Heaven subbed himself with Ra (see link #6), who is on the roster of another team. At the same time at least the 6* player 'Gass' was online for Earthworm Jim.


Before this Heaven had asked in public chat if both captains agree to 6* borrowing (see link #2). Neither Tiny nor I replied, and he did not ask about it again.


In the screenshots you can see Heaven looking around for a 6* replacement borrow for Purge, who is on my team. This is because I asked him before round 1 about it as Purge might have to go or might lag. Heaven informed me that there would be no borrowing, which he later changed to "if both captains agree" (see link #2 again).

To sum it up:

1) Lack of explicit consent given by me or tiny at the time heaven asked us both regarding 6* borrowing (link #2)
2) Earthworm Jim had at least one 6* player online when the sub was made. Even if borrowing was allowed, Earthworm Jim should have used their own 6* player over another team's 6* (Ra, who is also severely underrated, but that is another issue).


Heaven and I have agreed to let Turban handle this appeal.


In addition to the screenshots linked below, I have a log which I can send to Turban. Won't post it here since it contains chats (which I have edited out of the screenshots).


https://imgur.com/B7jHRHy


https://imgur.com/a/PSqHC


https://imgur.com/a/jgLK4


https://imgur.com/a/mLI5D


https://imgur.com/a/tSBcV


https://imgur.com/a/3gYEY

[Tiny]

No one knew Gass was online or if he was online during dtd. He wasn't in chat. We surely would not have added ra if we knew he was.

[kess]

No one knew Gass was online or if he was online during dtd. He wasn't in chat. We surely would not have added ra if we knew he was.

Moot point, even if it was ur duty as a captain to know that. Captains didnt agree to the borrow, thats enough to repeat the round.

[zidane]

Being able to replace 6* in playoffs has been a thing for a few seasons in a row, it's not up to the captains to decide whether it's allowed. heaven clearly doesn't know much about the DT rules......

also you can see in the screenshots trasher posted that Gass wasn't in the arena (also had no idea he was online since he's not in our dt chat for w/e reason)

it sucks vys lagged but lets be honest, vys played jav and base without lagouts. he only lagged out because he didn't tell his family to get off netflix.... thats not rly on us. as far as us playing 30 mins after schedule it didnt affect when jav or base started as they started on time.

[Crescent Seal]

need a tl;dr version plz

[Tiny]

Moot point, even if it was ur duty as a captain to know that. Captains didnt agree to the borrow, thats enough to repeat the round.

You trying to tell me I should ?find every 6*on my roster not in chat mid round before asking for a sub fill in? Grasping at straws here

[Tiny]

Moot point, even if it was ur duty as a captain to know that. Captains didnt agree to the borrow, thats enough to repeat the round.

Point #2. Clearly stated you can borrow 6*s. Duty as a captain to know that.


You don't need other caps permission

[kess]

Point #2. Clearly stated you can borrow 6*s. Duty as a captain to know that.


You don't need other caps permission

Heaven who is the person currently running the league, said no borrowing allowed in the playoffs, its in the screenshots. If he is gonna overturn something HE said, he better get permission of both captains(which he didnt).

[zidane]

where did heaven say that? if you check rules it says you can borrow a 6*

what i see in the screenshot is heaven asking if both caps are ok with it and no one replies, he never says borrowing is not allowed unless im super blind but I feel I looked a couple times. he even talks about you guys replacing purge with bellflowers (whos not on your team) if he had to go.. so clearly heaven was under the impression that borrowing 6s in playoffs is a rule and is allowed

[Tiny]

The post heaven made refers to HIGH star subs. We are sticking with the current and old rules as stated in his post. 6* subs are allowed. As you clearly stated....it's captains duty to know rules...these are the rules.

[skyforger]

You trying to tell me I should ?find every 6*on my roster

yup tiny, thats what capping means

[Tiny]

yup tiny, thats what capping means

edited whatt I said. Was mean and off point.

I like how u pulled only part of the quote to troll another forum.

[MHz]

I agree this seems unfair to borrow the league's most powerful 6*. Unfortunately no rule was broken here, since borrowing low stars is permissible.

BUT...

Even if adding Ra as your borrowed 6* isn't technically illegal, it's still bending the spirit of the rules, and shows that Earthworm are unscrupulous bastards.

[Turban]

TWDT has allowed borrowing of low star players in the playoffs for the third consecutive season and there has not been any formal statements to my knowledge announcing a change to the rules. In the past two seasons the rules further clarified that the borrowed player must be approved bya moderator, however the current rules simply state that players must be rated 65 or below in order to be eligible for borrowing which admittedly is not clear enough and leaves room to be interpreted in many ways.

Ogron was trying to implement a borrowing system for elite tier players in the playoffs which seems to be the root of all this confusion.

This appeal has been denied as no rules were broken.

[MHz]

nvm.