Appealing all our TWDT-B games

[Attacks]

Obviously I was hoping for the replay for both games but you have spent the time putting a diplomatic post and explaining the reasons you made the judgement, I respect that and stand by your decision, Henry keep running this, your never going to please everyone all the time, and its myself and Ogron this week, but its better to make a decision and stick to your guns than none at all. Im cool with it and Ogron........well hes Ogron but he will come round eventually. I will mention no more about replays.

[ogron]

The precedent over the last 20 years of this game in TWL and TWDT is to replay games where the outcome was reasonably affected by a SERVER-SIDE issue, which Turban told Porkjet this was, and needs to be resolved by qan or a sysop.

I was missing my #1 warbird for our first game of TWDT-D, and while technically I have a case, I didn't feel it was practical or reasonable to replay as we would have lost even with Racketeer in, which is why I didn't appeal it.

The outcome of our TWDT-B game was severely impacted and the result extremely likely the complete opposite of what happened, and it is an incredibly obvious replay decision.

When bots die, when there is server-side lag causing issues to certain players outside of normal personal lag issues, and in this case multiple players on my team being prevented from entering TWDT arenas and therefore unable to play due to issues emanating from the server, is a clear cause for a game to be replayed.

Chill

We're lucky Henry stepped up to host in the first place. Work with him, don't just lose your shit whenyou don't get your way.

He's right though, Henry. Bottom line is, if players were online and not able to enter the TWDT arena because of preventable server and/or zone issues, those particular games should be replayed. It's pretty clear that porkjet (judging by his history of never having issues, in addition to the video he posted) was prevented from playing due to something out of his control. Game should be replayed. Staff, for the future, make sure you do test runs to check for any problems before we waste any more whole Sundays on mediocre/low quality games

You're right, I apologize, I'm just frustrated. This seems like it should be a granted appeal and well within the confines of what has traditionally constituted a successful replay.

I'm obviously glad Henry Saari has dedicated time and effort to the zone and appreciate it.

I'm not being unreasonable, I'm not appealing TWDT-D or TWDT-J games I would have lost anyway with those players, I'm appealing a game we would have very likely won, using past precedent and sound logic.

[zidane]

i mean porkjet is an impact baser and he was clearly trying to make it to the match. im obviously against appealing the entire week since it only seems like baratheons base chances were heavily impacted by the issue. at the very least i think he should be able to RM the game that was forfeited

[Turban]

i suppose its a matter of deciding where to draw the line and it seems like the current operator(s) made their choice.

we can likely all agree that what happened today was far from ideal and that your team was perhaps affected the most out of all due to you missing out on one of your key player as a result of server-side issues which were out of your control. however i can't recall a single moment in our history where the problems of a single player—whether they were caused by client or server side issues—has warranted a replay in the past. it is a different case when a significant amount of players are affected by the same problem and even then it can be a hard call to make.

i do agree that there was a fairly good chance that you could have beaten us with him in the starting lineup, but then again there is no way to be certain and thus i feel your best option is to accept the result. you can try to use the argument of him being an impact player on your team and that he could have made the difference, however i don't feel that by itself is a valid reason for an appeal as it is very subjective.

you have to look at the bigger picture. do you allow every game to be replayed or none at all? i feel those are the only options because otherwise all teams could use the same argument of missing out on a player who might have changed the outcome of the match.

just my two cents. i could be wrong like i have been in the past.

[ogron]

We both know what the result would have been. And he's the 2nd or 3rd best shark in the zone, and it has a cascade effect forcing me to shark Hellkite and lose a 1st round spider pick to play in a sub-optimal role.

It shouldn't matter how many players it is, only that it had a reasonably impactful swing in determining the winner. If 5 low-star non-starting basers can't show, it has less impact than Porkjet unable to play.

This isn't an arbitrary appeal on a technicality to be a pedantic jerk to try to sleaze a win in a game we would have lost anyway or had a low percentage chance of winning, it's a game we both agree Baratheon would have very likely won.

I granted an appeal to Terrorist last year while Baratheon was up 8-0 in base holding cram versus them because of bot issues, because it's server side and not in their control. I granted the replay, we lost the replay, and it had a direct impact on the seedings and standings, and it forced us into the hardest playoff schedule. This stuff could end up mattering down the line.

I granted the appeal not on the likelihood of them winning the game, but on the precedent that server-side issues that impact a game should be replayed.

My appeal goes above and beyond the technical requirement, and is a legitimate one on the basis of the likely result. It should be appealed at both the technical/legal level, and the common sense/eye test one.

[Banks]

I mean shit, if it's in the rulebook, it should be appealed. Not trying to be biased at all here. But if it is in the rulebook, IT IS IN THE DAMN RULEBOOK LOL

[MHz]

#FREE PORK

[Geio]

Personally I'm in favor of replaying those games. Just to start the season off on the right foot. But who am I 😎

[ogron]

Vys has absolutely no business being a mod, completely unprofessional, garbage ratings where he legit gave himself 10/10/8 and damaging the league, trying to hurt my team in a fucking APPEALS response in your capacity as a TWDT Op by talking about private trade conversations because he's secretly taken over Jessup's role as team captain and is making all the decisions instead of him.

You're a complete joke.

[olde]

The truth is team clausehouse was about to take basing beating of a life time, as he seen Attacks, Iron Survivor, and Olde in spider. (2:Ogron> Log off now bros, swallow your pride and take the L.)Cripple started trembling, immeditly logged off out of fear for his life. Porker ran and hid in ?go#JohnCena in hopes of(2:Porkjet> YouCantSeeMe) after he seen Commodo come into the areana with his chest puffed out and the veins swelled up in his upper back knowing he was about to carry. With this new evidence presented here today the win should be awarded to the British.... ( Attacks> wud u fancy a bum?)

[Jones]

can we replay week 1 warbirds, i couldn't focus

[Iron]

Lets be reasonable, if that happened to any of you guys what would you do? "lets move on and forget this" or "fuck you all i cudnt play we need replay that match".

Im with Ogron in this one, his team should replay ANY match, including that warbird game that racketeer coudnt play. (btw i have 0 interesting on this to happen since i was MVP and we won).

[Rough]

We both know what the result would have been. And he's the 2nd or 3rd best shark in the zone, and it has a cascade effect forcing me to shark Hellkite and lose a 1st round spider pick to play in a sub-optimal role.

It shouldn't matter how many players it is, only that it had a reasonably impactful swing in determining the winner. If 5 low-star non-starting basers can't show, it has less impact than Porkjet unable to play.

This isn't an arbitrary appeal on a technicality to be a pedantic jerk to try to sleaze a win in a game we would have lost anyway or had a low percentage chance of winning, it's a game we both agree Baratheon would have very likely won.

I granted an appeal to Terrorist last year while Baratheon was up 8-0 in base holding cram versus them because of bot issues, because it's server side and not in their control. I granted the replay, we lost the replay, and it had a direct impact on the seedings and standings, and it forced us into the hardest playoff schedule. This stuff could end up mattering down the line.

I granted the appeal not on the likelihood of them winning the game, but on the precedent that server-side issues that impact a game should be replayed.

My appeal goes above and beyond the technical requirement, and is a legitimate one on the basis of the likely result. It should be appealed at both the technical/legal level, and the common sense/eye test one.

I am so glad I took the busy time out of my life to check the forums today....wow you have some real issues still and completely an psychotic nerd, think you stopped seeing your shrink...

Anyone know if zidane still plays this game? I put that kid in a coffin

[Jones]

my serious reply is: claus has a legitimate reason to appeal and replay but i truly believe dele has the best reply here. and it's not because he is my squadcaptain nor does it have anything to do with us taking long showers together.

Its just week 1. Make the adjustments and move to week 2. It really is not that serious, lol. You should be thanking Henry and everyone else on STAFF for the work they put into this.

baratheon are still favorites to win and will without question reach playoffs with those players.

[olde]

This TWDT is slowly turning into the TWL tryhard nerd atmosphere.
I thought TWDT was about different players playing ships they normally don't get to start in?

Pork couldn't play first week that sux for pork :/ but the game still could have been played vs brexit.

Once again this isn't TWL someone could have filled in for him at shark.

We need to start letting different players play other ships. Nobody even gets a chance to get good in differnt ships because everyone plays the same old guys over and over again or they just rage on the new guy for not being a fkn GOD. Give someone else a chance to get in a groove.

THIS IS WHY BASING IS DEAD IN TWD.