What to do after this season?

[Exalt]

Exalt in defiance of two tier league because he'd be in tier 2 squad. Obviously there is no "new" players I proposed this because there is huge skill gap between the zones top 3 or 4 squads to the rest. Gives us newbies and top squads quality matches for the second half of season after seeding. There's no need too drag a season on and have top squads blowing out the bottom squads.

You caught me. I must obviously be against Tier 2 because I'm afraid of Glyde1234 and the other pubbers. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that all the long-term pubbers refuse to leave pub for other arenas, which is why they never get better, and also why they wont join a Tier 2 TWL either. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that its been proposed and failed long before people like you even knew this game existed, when there was a significantly larger population of new players who would potentially would have played in that league. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that TWL as it stands struggles to field teams of 5 players as is, and attempting to field Tier 2-only teams with career pubbers is drawing from a significantly smaller and flakier pool of players.

If you guys want that kind of league, maybe you should make a few squads and play each other in twd first. If you cant even do that, then why would a league be created? Do the most basic requirements first before you ask for something 100 steps ahead.

[Gkyde1234]

Exalt in defiance of two tier league because he'd be in tier 2 squad. Obviously there is no "new" players I proposed this because there is huge skill gap between the zones top 3 or 4 squads to the rest. Gives us newbies and top squads quality matches for the second half of season after seeding. There's no need too drag a season on and have top squads blowing out the bottom squads.

[Exalt]

A newb-friendly TWL-style league was proposed years before Steam was ever dreamed of, and that was back when this game was active and had actual new players, rather than 20 year pubbers who never left that one arena, which is about the only people in pub these days. Qan could say exactly how many new, non-aliased players are logging in these days, but it's not going to be a high number. The consensus back when this was first proposed many years ago was that 90% of those new players wanted it, but no staff member would take the time to do it, and no vets would leave their stacked squads long enough to run these squads and help the game grow. They wanted to look down on those players instead. Everyone wanted to keep the status quo, even at the cost of the game dying, and that's pretty much what happened.

Whatever those staff helper squads were years later, they came about far too late. Honestly, proposing that kind of thing now, 10+ years after it was shot down back then by the powers that be, is kind of a sad joke. Maybe it would've been possible with people like Qan running the show these days instead of whoever did back then (Pure_Luck probably, I forget and dont care), but there's not enough new players for this to be a thing anymore. You guys are dreaming.

[Rasaq]

I dont know if this was proposed before.

I know before, years ago, there was a B league that thix helped make. Pretty much had a lot of new players play with the veterans in an attempt to familiarize them in getting involved with the competitive setting of the game.

As frustrating as this will probably be, why dont we make some type of league that has maybe 2-3 veterans and the rest newbies to compete?

Kinda like a sub par TWDT but for newbies. Maybe we can advertise it and see how many newer players would like to partake in it and we can get the newer players somehow involved.

and I mean strict like.... 2 veterans and 8 newbies or some shit like that. Maybe not basing because it?s too complex, but warbird and jav dueling?

when I was new I had no idea what I was doing until I had veterans pretty much introduce me to leagues and competitive play. Pub is ALWAYS full.... even at late nights. I?m sure a lot of them don?t even have an idea about the other side of TW.

or maybe we can add some of the competitive gameplay in the pub arena so the pub players can see and try and involve themselves in it?

like Wbduel, Javduel, Go base all that shit in pub too.

Similar to TWD and the staff helper squads when we were introducing the new Steam players. The vets weren't allowed to add themselves or play unless it was absolutely necessary to add themselves to make it even teams, even then you had to dumb yourself down. I had fun when I ran one for about a week or two and I'd think it would do no harm in somehow finding an extensive league to play for lesser skilled players while a TWL season is ran. Allowing newbs to develop and eventually get promoted to a TWL squad with some type of promotional achievement that gives them the right, if picked up by a TWL squad, to be added to 1 game on Sunday. That one chance, played with 4/7 other vets, could give the opportunity some players need to showcase their skill and develop new relationships and memories. A TWL squad would however need a reason to pick up a player from the newb league and that's where the issue lies.

TWL is really the only league that would allow a player to play on a stacked squad and learn more about this game, but there's no reason why a TWL squad would want to play with a newb when their stacked team already consists of players and friends that they want to play with. We need to find a way that would force a squad to pickup a newb player and give that player a chance if we decide to go this route.

[Efhat]

I dont know if this was proposed before.

I know before, years ago, there was a B league that thix helped make. Pretty much had a lot of new players play with the veterans in an attempt to familiarize them in getting involved with the competitive setting of the game.

As frustrating as this will probably be, why dont we make some type of league that has maybe 2-3 veterans and the rest newbies to compete?

Kinda like a sub par TWDT but for newbies. Maybe we can advertise it and see how many newer players would like to partake in it and we can get the newer players somehow involved.

and I mean strict like.... 2 veterans and 8 newbies or some shit like that. Maybe not basing because it?s too complex, but warbird and jav dueling?

when I was new I had no idea what I was doing until I had veterans pretty much introduce me to leagues and competitive play. Pub is ALWAYS full.... even at late nights. I?m sure a lot of them don?t even have an idea about the other side of TW.

or maybe we can add some of the competitive gameplay in the pub arena so the pub players can see and try and involve themselves in it?

like Wbduel, Javduel, Go base all that shit in pub too.

[Gkyde1234]

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Could a 2 tier twl work? First 2-3 weeks everyone plays each other 1 time top 4 or 5 are tier 1 the rest tier 2. The winner of tier 2 joins tier1 playoff bracket. Rest of tier 2 can have playoffs if they would like for less prestige medal aswell?

[Dreamwin]

Short season of TWLD / TWLJ with roster limit of 6-7 players. The roster limits were still too big last season, even though it was a step to the right direction. People just dont rotate in TWL, im sure the stats back this in LD/LJ. 1-2 backups is more than enough.

[zidane]

TWL was very active at the start of the season and before, I think people are seriously underestimating how badly activity takes a hit when the zone goes down for 2 weeks in the middle of the season. TWL can easily be run again, but we should seriously shorten these seasons, at least playoff formats. Half the teams aren't in the playoffs so it's just a terrible idea to have these winner winner loser loser brackets that never fucking end. A normal playoff schedule would have cut the season down by 3 or 4 weeks.

TWEL should never be the main league, it just doesn't get people online... it can be run alongside something but the league has proven for 15 years that theres just not enough interest in it.

Modified TWDT or TWL should be next

[Gkyde1234]

Run twl next population graph says thats when you had the most active players back in March/April months

[ogron]

Like Tiny and others have said, TWL is bad for the zone, and shouldn't be run until next year.

Canada is, however, ready to defend its World Cup triple crown from 2015.

[Tiny]

Is it just me? or is tw doing better than has been doing in a while. I want to strongly link this with TWDT/elim/twd(not a serious twd). Anyone to provide details of support for or against? I think if you turn twd too serious, or run twl, it could change the balance and not for the good. Potentially run another twdt into the elim championship and let the pop grow? 150 ppl late at night 200+ on sundays..I saw banzi watching/playing twd/elim....Veteran sitings! If we could grab a few more people to return...like the rickos and mcvicars who arent in twdt floating around here who could play but arent...could bolster the ranks again.

could run twel with next twdt, would bring back competitive dueling which would make people want to also play w/e is going on simultaneously.

[Ricko]

I'd suggest the next leagues run should be:

- TWEL and a Basing World Cup run at the same time a few weeks after TWDT concludes. TWEL matches can be scheduled throughout the week whenever both players are on, Basing WC on Sundays.

- When that's finished, a few weeks later have a TWL season for only LD and LJ, 8 teams in each with 4 week regular seasons and 2 weeks of playoffs (no losers bracket, top 4 go into semi final one weekend then the final the next).

- Then maybe TWLB to follow that up?

[Turban]

Has anyone ever actually played TWEL? Really can't see it having any kind of success

I have participated in most TWEL seasons and can say it was popular and active most seasons where people hyped it up, and this includes the latest season. You would often see the arena crowded with people and I recall there being days where you would have upwards 70 people in the arena playing and watching games. However as stated before TWEL was always a minor league and never pulled the same numbers and general interest as more team-focused leagues such as TWL and TWDT. It was often being hosted on the side while another league was seen as the main dish.

I do not enjoy playing TWL and TWDT, and can safely say that I am in the minority with only few top players sharing my sentiment such as Mythril. Dueling is without a shadow of doubt my preferred way of playing competitively in this zone. It is a competition in its purest form, but I would like to see some changes made to the arena such as every javelin dueling area being slightly or completely different to add some variation to the experience.

In the end it is not too realistic to host another TWEL season as vast majority of our active player base are not into the dueling scene. It would require monumental effort to get it back up and running, to hype it up and get some of the better known players to participate.

[Zizzo]

Has anyone ever actually played TWEL? Really can't see it having any kind of success

[Jessup]

TWEL hosted or automated in a tourney type arena with time limits of 20 minutes per game, tie games counted on ladder. Programmed Bot settings for all this would be optimal. I'd like to see the personal challenge aspect removed TOTALLY and have games dictated by some type stat results work towards ranking ladder. Start everyone even and do something with like 8 brackets that gets determined by what placement you are on the ladder. I've yet to figure the best way to do this mathematically but using brackets to dictate duels seems in my mind to be the best way to make match distribution fair that reaches an end goal for playoffs.

I think we could also do something on Sundays too while TWEL goes.

I'd personally like to see something new.

How about something like a team battle deathmatch league TWTB where we just make 5 squads and do 10 vs 10 dd and jd games in a larger arena. and shoot for 14 vs 14 in a new basing arena.

Just my thoughts.

TWEL definitely but it needs some DEV to make it work and be fair and interesting. Where it has failed before was 30 people in spec all being nitty about who they want to challenge and accept in duels. AUTOMATE A DUEL SYSTEM PLEASE!!