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  • RaCka
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    Originally posted by saiyan View Post
    I would have been so hyped if you used a proper ELO formula for TSL instead of using worthless personal stats. It would incentivize playing to win, increase activity and the average skill in here would go up significantly..

    It would uncover truths you may not be aware of and finally give you some sort of objective, numerical measure about how impactful various players are in various ships. Gamescore isn't it.. Sorry to tell you.

    Making people play for stats isnt healthy. There already is such a league that rewards that kind of play, its called ELIM.

    Is it too late to change?
    I think ogron is implementing a formula that promotes winning over individual record, even though individual record will still have an impact on your overall score, it’ll be significantly less than previous seasons to prevent players from ONLY playing for their individual records.

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  • saiyan
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    I would have been so hyped if you used a proper ELO formula for TSL instead of using worthless personal stats. It would incentivize playing to win, increase activity and the average skill in here would go up significantly..

    It would uncover truths you may not be aware of and finally give you some sort of objective, numerical measure about how impactful various players are in various ships. Gamescore isn't it.. Sorry to tell you.

    Making people play for stats isnt healthy. There already is such a league that rewards that kind of play, its called ELIM.

    Is it too late to change?

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  • Dwopple
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    LFG! let's keep it going ladies and gents.... TSLBC HYPE!!!!!!!!!

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  • RaCka
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    TSL HYPE!!!!!!

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  • ogron
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    Basing Cup 2021 will be similar to Basing Cup 2020, but expanded to 6 teams.

    6 captains will draft every active player in the zone. There are no signups. You may remove yourself from the draft by contacting me, as Ease and Spezza did last year if you have no intention of playing and don't want someone wasting a pick on you.

    There are no star limits, teams can play anyone they draft.

    Typically, every team makes the playoffs, but higher seeds get to pick their opponents (a feature TWDT has since adopted.)

    This allows weekday Basing Cup games to be played, as euros often can't make those times, allowing them to participate on weekends and for the playoffs which are exclusively on Sundays.

    Basing Cup 2020 was a huge success, and I am hopeful this expanded edition will be able to replicate it alongside TSL.

    The draft will take place Sunday, November 14.


    Last edited by ogron; 10-31-2021, 10:58 PM.

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  • ogron
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    TSL is similar to solo queue ladder play in e-sports.

    You play as an individual. Everyone gets to play every game. The bot randomly sorts the teams, and you play a 5v5 jav or warbird match.

    In TSLD, the ladder (or standings) sums your best 20 games in WB. This means there is no penalty for playing or having a bad game.

    Ops schedule game times on weekdays and weekends, but are free to host TSL if there's a lot of players online who want to game. Some players play 70+ games in a season, some play 20. Ease finished #2 in TSLJ playing only 20 games, while others grinded it out. If you're really good you can become an all-star in few games. The more you play, the better your chances, but talent ultimately means the top players typically finish at the top (for seasons 1 and 2 -- I can't vouch for other seasons I didn't run or participate in, as they altered the formulas and participation plummeted, and I refuse to acknowledge their existence.)

    I set the minimum for the TSL all-star trophy at $500 and finishing within the Top 10. That's an average of $25 per game. Anything below that means not enough top-tier players participated, and some grinders snuck into the top 10 without putting up strong enough performances to hit $500.

    The formula is Kills + (Kills - Deaths) + $7 bonus for winning the match. So a 10-10 loss would be worth $10. Going 16-8 in a win:

    16 + (16 - 8) + 7 = $31

    If you went 16-8 in wins every game, in your best 20 games, your total in the standings would be $620. zidane finished a TSLJ season once with $734. let that sink in. By contrast, if you went 10-10 in losses every game, your standings dollar amount would be $200.

    Your goal is to simply show up, play, and win with a good rec. Racka and Mythril have discussed increasing the value of the win bonus, so the formula may be modified for the coming season, but you get the idea.

    Try to put together the best 20 games you can in WB and Jav and finish inside the Top 10 with over $500 and win a coveted TSL All-Stars trophy on the TWD website.
    Last edited by ogron; 10-31-2021, 11:00 PM.

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  • ogron
    started a topic TSL and Basing Cup Announcement

    TSL and Basing Cup Announcement

    TSL Head Op: RaCka
    Basing Cup Head Op:
    ogron

    Co-Head ops and Assistant ops TBD

    Tokenization Tzars: Pressure, Wirah
    Coding Maestros: Qan, Biet, Wirah, Rab

    TSL for warbirds and javs, and Basing Cup for basers, will start in 14 days on Sunday, November 14, and run until December 12, with TWDT and TWL to follow in early 2022.

    RaCka and I will be running leagues together to close out 2021, and then pass the baton to someone and let them run TWDT and TWL afterwards in 2022.

    TSLB was the weakest of the three leagues, and had a lot of issues, so we're simply going to exclude it and run Basing Cup concurrently with TSL, expanding Basing Cup from 4 teams to 6, in order to include more players.

    TSL will return to its Season 1 and Season 2 roots and formulas. Some combination of Rab, Qan, Biet, and Wirah will no doubt be instrumental in TSL's automation and success.

    Wirah and Pressure are working on tokenizing SubSpace at large in order to make SubSpace a play-to-earn game, to reward our community, and to revitalize SubSpace

    More details to follow, but we're committed to closing out 2021 with a bang. RaCka has taken charge and somehow roped me back in. Early TSL was great, and Basing Cup 2020 was a big success, and with a bigger player base than when it ran, a stronger cadré of coders and more volunteers to help run things these leagues should be even better.

    Removing base, returning to old TSL formulas, and maintaining the automation should make this a terrific season, and expanding Basing Cup so more people can play will hopefully provide the zone with lots of fun and competitive gaming before Christmas.

    If you want to learn more about Basing Cup and TSL, I've posted explainers below.



    Last edited by ogron; 11-01-2021, 04:31 PM.
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