TWDT Draft Order

[ogron]

i repeatedly said no to capping, and to my knowledge have never been listed on chat as part of the confirmed caps.

1:RaCka> 1me - 2zid - 3dreamwin - 4saiyan - 5violence - 6flew - 7skatarius - 8renzi - 9turban - no 10th
1:RaCka> me zidane dreamwin saiyan violence flew skatarius turban - need two more

the latest artwork i created and posted to TWDT half a week ago where I put up the 9 confirmed caps (plus steadman as a placeholder):

racka - zidane - dreamwin - saiyan - violence - flew - skatarius - renzi - turban - steadman

i told heaven 7pm EST three days ago, which racka confirmed, then reiterated it several hours before the lotto draft. suddenly, i hear "ogron 10th pick" 45 minutes ahead of the draft while I'm stuck in a BD terring, unaware of what's happening.

i've capped TWDT 5x and won 4x without ever having a Top 5 pick, the notion i would pull out because i got a late pick is beyond absurd.

i didn't run the lottery, was not present, didn't know the caps listed, and was not involved in the re-do.

[viop11]

i wasnt 100% sure when i said we had b1st rigilir seasin recird that seasin all i kniw is we stirtid like 2-8 n then nefir lostid ne mitch n it was my 1st time efir participatink in twdt so i vsd many silictions n stritigies i regret in the dr1ft but was still abil 2 make sum very beneficial trades becuz efery othir ciptin in trinch wirs othir than mysilf has a$$b1rk1rs

[Turban]

you had third best regular season overall that year violence, but ye you are pretty good captain when there's people you can swindle with trade offers.

[Riverside]

my first seasin was the $ seasin n we won bisink n had bist ofirill recird in rigilir seasin, gj though

m proud of u bbg

[viop11]

my first seasin was the $ seasin n we won bisink n had bist ofirill recird in rigilir seasin, gj though

[Riverside]

my squidrins combined recirds of my 3 seasins as twdt ciptin are like 150-10 ofirill n b4 my first seasin othir girpigi ciptins n playirs such as hilk n othir j1br1n1s were sayink am 2 much of a sh1tb1x playir 2 b ciptin becuz my team cud b @ disidvintigi instead of riciginizink me beink an 8* shirk is the most unfair thing in histiry of cintinim and i cud sh1tk1ck ne1 in wirbirt or jiflin aswill netime i wish 2 vs .01 effirt

that beink said if u think beink a liwir * ciptin is a disidvintigi i agree w/ rifir u could go by ciptins * ratinks and let the lowist * totil ciptin pick wut draft spot they wish for

for exampil i am the lowist * ciptin, i cud silict wut pisition i drift from, then flew choosis aftir me, then jirrisic etc

Your first season i dont remember you winning much. Besides, I've seen recent seasons where teams (not yours) are ranked lower and dont end up playing it out to end the season. I've been guilty of it myself when I've been inactive; sometimes its harder to show when you're losing if you're already uncertain about showing. I commend your teams, and other teams, for not doing this.

Because you just won last year (im okay with using recency bias this way, defend ur crown big boy), perhaps you shouldnt get the first pick. Or in an alternative league setup, you shouldn't get to choose what draft pick you want first (based off your *). In theory: its not supposed to matter too much in this instance (first versus second or third). Its a snake draft, as beam highlighted (heh).

To make it objective: for this specific draft process, you can increase each cap who won a league last year by 0.5* in each league that they won the season right before (NOT for when they play, only for this process).

[viop11]

my squidrins combined recirds of my 3 seasins as twdt ciptin are like 150-10 ofirill n b4 my first seasin othir girpigi ciptins n playirs such as hilk n othir j1br1n1s were sayink am 2 much of a sh1tb1x playir 2 b ciptin becuz my team cud b @ disidvintigi instead of riciginizink me beink an 8* shirk is the most unfair thing in histiry of cintinim and i cud sh1tk1ck ne1 in wirbirt or jiflin aswill netime i wish 2 vs .01 effirt

that beink said if u think beink a liwir * ciptin is a disidvintigi i agree w/ rifir u could go by ciptins * ratinks and let the lowist * totil ciptin pick wut draft spot they wish for

for exampil i am the lowist * ciptin, i cud silict wut pisition i drift from, then flew choosis aftir me, then jirrisic etc

[Riverside]

This would make sense if there wasn't a star cap and there wasn't a snake draft. 8 out of 10 captains this season would be drafted in the first 2 rounds if they were part of the pool with the exception of violence (just won dtd and dtb as cap) and Flew (won dtj 2 seasons ago as cap). RaCka got the #1 pick last season and selected Turban which on paper looks extraordinary having 2 elite 10* players who are arguably the #1 wb and the #1 jav in the game but they didnt even make the playoffs. A captain's success in the current format is much more about how successful of a draft strategy they can come up with than what their star value is. I think your opinion would be more valid if any of the caps were unplayable like Ixador or Honcho for example but these guys are all quality players who are solid value at their respective ratings.

Using recent examples for a league that has run 20+ times doesn't negate its point- it demonstrates recency bias. My point also has to do with ensuring there's competition throughout- not just who wins the league.

A more factual way to see that, as opposed to last years winner, would be season & playoffs record of captains who have lower star cap ratings, and had the second half of draft picks in a snake draft, over the past few draft leagues (relative to higher rated caps season %).

I wish you all the best with how you and your team handle the rest of the league. Its voluntarily done and a lot of people appreciate it.

[beam]

I recommend that the draft order be done by the rating of each captain.

A randomizer can be used between the ties (let's say turban and saiyan are tied: a randomizer then).

The star rating is used for every other part of TWDT & Basing Cup (and perhaps other leagues). My point is: it is meant to maintain the competitive balance of the league. It makes sense to me that it starts with the beginning of the league: the draft, where each captain has a different skill level when they get out of spec.

The point of the draft (imo) is more ability to select players, not the captain's ability to play warbird/javelin/basing. It ends up mixing: because you're the first pick in your own draft, so you're building your team with yourself in mind, or you're not. So for higher rated players, the small advantage is already there... which is made up by being in a shittier draft position.

Im not signed up (yet), so I have no bias here- this has always been my perspective though because I do have this consistent pov across all leagues.

This would make sense if there wasn't a star cap and there wasn't a snake draft. 8 out of 10 captains this season would be drafted in the first 2 rounds if they were part of the pool with the exception of violence (just won dtd and dtb as cap) and Flew (won dtj 2 seasons ago as cap). RaCka got the #1 pick last season and selected Turban which on paper looks extraordinary having 2 elite 10* players who are arguably the #1 wb and the #1 jav in the game but they didnt even make the playoffs. A captain's success in the current format is much more about how successful of a draft strategy they can come up with than what their star value is. I think your opinion would be more valid if any of the caps were unplayable like Ixador or Honcho for example but these guys are all quality players who are solid value at their respective ratings.

[Riverside]

I recommend that the draft order be done by the rating of each captain.

A randomizer can be used between the ties (let's say turban and saiyan are tied: a randomizer then).

The star rating is used for every other part of TWDT & Basing Cup (and perhaps other leagues). My point is: it is meant to maintain the competitive balance of the league. It makes sense to me that it starts with the beginning of the league: the draft, where each captain has a different skill level when they get out of spec.

The point of the draft (imo) is more ability to select players, not the captain's ability to play warbird/javelin/basing relative to the other captains. I know it ends up mixing: because as a cap, you're already the first pick in your own draft, you're building your team with yourself in mind (or you're not). So for higher rated players, the small advantage is already there... which can be made more fair by elevating others to higher draft positions (and taking on shittier draft positions if you have higher * than other caps).

Im not signed up (yet), so I have no bias here- this has always been my perspective though because I do have this consistent pov across all leagues.

[WillBy]

While the confusion and pre-season draft drama is a bit of a drag, I'd like to extend a massive thanks to everyone volunteering to run the league and / or captain a team this season. Easy to point fingers in hindsight, but it really does take a lot of coordination and time commitment to keep events like this moving forward with and without road bumps along the way.

TWDT 24 HYPE

I love hype almost as much as I love drama

[viop11]

imigine carink about your dr1ft pisitionink when its a sn1ke dr1ft

[Dwopple]

While the confusion and pre-season draft drama is a bit of a drag, I'd like to extend a massive thanks to everyone volunteering to run the league and / or captain a team this season. Easy to point fingers in hindsight, but it really does take a lot of coordination and time commitment to keep events like this moving forward with and without road bumps along the way.

TWDT 24 HYPE

[beam]

While I appreciate Heaven trying to take some heat, the blame for this lies entirely on Ogron as Dreamwin stated. In the past week we've had about 30 conversations in Thunder chat where we listed off Ogron as a cap and he didn't say one word about it until last night when he flipped out and started screaming like a man-child about how he never agreed to cap and remove him right now or he will quit the game blah blah. It seemed to me like he was just putting himself in a win-win scenario where he either got a top tier draft position and would ride it out or he got one he considered bad and could then say he never agreed to cap and blame RaCka. This is just speculation, but I believe he intentionally left his name off of his draft graphic in his recent post to fit his narrative when things didn't go his way. Ogron is a very calculated sociopathic individual and knowing him for 15 years this is very within the realm of something he would do.

ogron> i never volunteered to cap and im def not capping at #10

This was his first message after the draft order was revealed. Keep in mind he was watching the stream and saw his name listed by Heaven on there for a full 5 minutes before it was rolled. Take from it what you will.

Once Ogron finished screaming for 35 minutes and calling the only 5 or 6 people in the entire game that can stand him various obscenities, we discussed what to do and determined that since the draft order was done prematurely before the designated time and we then only had 8/10 cap spots filled that it should be discussed with the available captains if the pick order should be redone. Thankfully Morph and Jurassic were willing to step up (huge props to those guys for saving our butts btw) and all of the online caps were fine with doing it over with having 10 actual caps instead of 8 filled.

I think the idea of "good" or "bad" draft position is kind of dated and with the new system it really doesn't matter. I'm sure a top 3 all time draft captain such as Dreamwin can figure out a strategy to be competitive this year and it should be a good season. I'd like to apologize on behalf of Ogron for this mess and promise there was no ill intent.

[Heaven]

Let me clarify a bit what happened.

Ogron messaged me a few days ago to stream the draft lotto on Wednesday at 7pm EST. I said sure as I always do. When I read his inital post about it, there was no exact time set, just that I would be doing it on Wednesday. I figured the the 7pm that he messaged me was more an internal agreement that he (we) would get people online to verify the stream (not that it would be a public event). He later did post on the thread that it would be at 7pm but I missed that since I didn't check forums and logged on to just do the draft at 6:20ish because I wanted to leave and woudn't be home around 7.

As I am not a DT Op, what I didn't know is that we were missing 2 captains + that Ogron had messaged captains/people to be on at 7. So really, I fucked up by doing the draft/order before the arranged time + we didn't have 10 confirmed captains.

After I did the draft, it was realized that is was a fk up. RaCka messaged the captains that were online (i believe everyone but skat/dreamwin) and all captains were ok with redraft given the circumstance + racka found 2 new captains to join (jurassic / morph).

tl;dr I had a booty call at 7pm and jumped the gun doing the draft earlier without knowing the additional information and a redraft had to be done. There's no cheating/rigging involved by anyone. Sry 4 dis.