Self Description in Music

[Spybreak!]

PJ, before getting all defensive, I'll just have you know that the song I posted isn't even classified as electronica. Isn't that rich?

ZeUs: Sure ok for you lyrics make it more enjoyable, but keep this is mind: Music is not poetry.


Anywho, I'll be on my way now. As you were!

[Troll King]

The human voice is just another instrument. It also plays notes and makes different types of sounds, and they are needed just as much as any other instrument playing that same song. I mean, it's great that you like a particular genre of music, Spybreak, but I don't see other people ragging on it the way you rag on music with words.

Anyways, as for this thread's question, my song would be Third Eye Blind's An Ode to Maybe.

[PUNK rock]

Music is not poetry.

Before I call you a moron with some proof, why don't you try explaining what the fuck you are talking about. Saying music isn't poetry is one thing, not backing it up is another. So until then, you're a moron.

[Spybreak!]

So until then, you're a moron.

First off, your name is PUNK rock... and umm yeah, you sound very typical.

But in response to your oh-so-enlightening post... music is a form of ART; it may use words to get messages across, however it is not poetry. Poetry is poetry, written by the most brilliant of minds and are preserved over the ages. If music was poetry, I could say like classical music is poetic, but in the end it is merely music. So there's a warrant, yourrrr majesty!

And I'm not ragging other music There's even vocal trance, house, and whatever that uses lyrics to enhance a song (like an additional instrument as TK said). So I do know how words make a song better...
Though I feel like you all think that words are absolutely necessary in music, when in fact there are instruments other than vocals, guitars, and drums that can replace the need for words. And you're not even aware of this -_-

hmph... pressing buttons in here is too easy, both ways.

[genocidal]

First off, your name is PUNK rock... and umm yeah, you sound very typical.

But in response to your oh-so-enlightening post... music is a form of ART; it may use words to get messages across, however it is not poetry. Poetry is poetry, written by the most brilliant of minds and are preserved over the ages. If music was poetry, I could say like classical music is poetic, but in the end it is merely music. So there's a warrant, yourrrr majesty!

And I'm not ragging other music There's even vocal trance, house, and whatever that uses lyrics to enhance a song (like an additional instrument as TK said). So I do know how words make a song better...
Though I feel like you all think that words are absolutely necessary in music, when in fact there are instruments other than vocals, guitars, and drums that can replace the need for words. And you're not even aware of this -_-

hmph... pressing buttons in here is too easy, both ways.

like a drummachine?

[Jerome Scuggs]

I gotta go with SPy on this one. Poetry uses vocal inflection to move you. Music can be with or without vocals. Its..music. The voice is just like the guitar, drums, etc, an instrument.

[Cops]

edit: fuck it.

[Rion.]

Spybreak!

I feel like you all think that words are absolutely necessary in music, when in fact there are instruments other than vocals, guitars, and drums that can replace the need for words. And you're not even aware of this -_-

What the hell gave you that idea?

As you apparently are, a lot of people are passionate about their music. As a result they posted the lyrics to a song (or songs) that they enjoy. I fail to see where you get the idea that we (with a very broad taste in music I might add) "need" lyrics to enjoy our music? With the evidence presented, that's like us telling you that you can't appreciate the beauty of the human voice.

Now, since a lot of us seem to enjoy music with lyrical content, (don't get me wrong, I like instrumentals too) I dare say you could say we're being unimaginative and so "need the lyrics" to present the music to us, as it were.

You were also saying that music is a form of art. Since lyrics are undoubtably part of music, does that not mean that we are simply taking on board the artists impression of what their "image" is? I don't know about anyone else, but when I listen to music I'm presented with lots of mental images. Now, in my example, which was Blutengel - Children of the Night, If this was an instrumental it would have a completely different effect to the way it is now. The artist wanted the lyrics to be part of it, and in my opinion it gives a damn awesome mental image. Arguably, if it was to be an instrumental it would have been written very differently and that's exactly the point. By many people the human voice is considered the most beautiful, versatile instrument. As an example, listen to a song by Immortal or Mayhem, then listen to a song by someone like Britney Spears (If she's still alive *shrug*). Not many instruments, even with a hell of a lot of tuning can achieve such differences.

Wow. I'm ranting. And probably rambling. But yeah. Please don't think that I'm somehow anti-instrumentals, because one of my favorite bands (namely Feindflug) uses no lyrics.

To summarize: A lot of music wouldn't be the same without lyrics, and of course as for instrumentals, lots would suck with lyrics. Whatever floats your boat, as they say. Different strokes for different folks, so on and so forth.

Final example: ManOwaR - Warriors of the World United
This song would suck without lyrics, but as it is... It's godly. Get it. $$

I'm done.

Hail and kill.

[Pearl Jam]

I'm not getting "all defensive", I'm calling you a music snob because that's exactly how you're coming across.

In addition, people are naming songs with lyrics because the lyrics convey how they may be feeling at the current moment...that's the purpose of the thread. Labeling an electronic song as describing your current human state seems like a pretty daunting task. Furthermore, it's pretty out there, maybe even a tad metro, but so be it.

For the record, I like some electronica, trip hop, hard house, light house, bud light, whatever in the blue fuck you want to label it. But to be so closed-minded and hostile towards absolutely anything else just seems ridiculous.

I wrote this while listening to Amon Tobin, by the way.

[Dark Commando]

Emo is poetic.

[Troll King]

First off, your name is PUNK rock... and umm yeah, you sound very typical.

But in response to your oh-so-enlightening post... music is a form of ART; it may use words to get messages across, however it is not poetry. Poetry is poetry, written by the most brilliant of minds and are preserved over the ages. If music was poetry, I could say like classical music is poetic, but in the end it is merely music. So there's a warrant, yourrrr majesty!

And I'm not ragging other music There's even vocal trance, house, and whatever that uses lyrics to enhance a song (like an additional instrument as TK said). So I do know how words make a song better...
Though I feel like you all think that words are absolutely necessary in music, when in fact there are instruments other than vocals, guitars, and drums that can replace the need for words. And you're not even aware of this -_-

hmph... pressing buttons in here is too easy, both ways.

I don't see what difference you're making between poetry and music. If you're trying to say that one is art and the other isn't, then you are mistaken. I don't think that's what you intended to say, but that's how it reads, so please correct it if that's the case. Music and poetry share many characteristics, and both may be written by brilliant minds and preserved through the ages, but they don't necessarily have to be so. There are many forgotten poets, and very un-brilliant ones, ust like there are many historically significant musicians who are very brilliant.

[PUNK rock]

First off, your name is PUNK rock... and umm yeah, you sound very typical.

Great! Let's all take cheap shots at my name!

But in response to your oh-so-enlightening post... music is a form of ART; it may use words to get messages across, however it is not poetry. Poetry is poetry, written by the most brilliant of minds and are preserved over the ages. If music was poetry, I could say like classical music is poetic, but in the end it is merely music. So there's a warrant, yourrrr majesty!

You could say it has a poetic tone or rhythm to it, yes. In the end, classical music is purely instrumental. Saying music is poetic is not saying that is only a written art form, but that it has the qualities of the written art form.

And I'm not ragging other music There's even vocal trance, house, and whatever that uses lyrics to enhance a song (like an additional instrument as TK said). So I do know how words make a song better...
Though I feel like you all think that words are absolutely necessary in music, when in fact there are instruments other than vocals, guitars, and drums that can replace the need for words. And you're not even aware of this -_-

You felt wrong. I do enjoy instrumental songs, and I love it when a song has a minute or so long prelude before the lyrics begin. This leads into the neverending lyrics vs. sound debate though. The point I'm trying to make is that as with written poetry, songs have stanzas, verses, etc. I'm sure many English experts will agree. I can't recall the song, but I looked up the lyrics for it and it gave credit to the author of a poem.

hmph... pressing buttons in here is too easy, both ways.

Indeed it is.


PS What's with the cheap shot at my name?

[Cops]

DC you rock dude but emo is dry.

[Bob (SRB)]

ooh lets get in an emo vs punk discussion! EMO 4 LIFE!!!!!!! After me and DC are done crying about girlfriends we are gonna come rip off that mohawk of yours cops.

You guys wanna hear some fucking crazy lyrics?
Boys Night Out- A torrid love affair
the first time i saw a body bend that way i realized that we're more beautiful dead than alive. then, with bloodied flesh removed, your rib cage ripped away - and i saw why they say beauty comes from the inside. it won't be the same this time around and you'll never be the same again. i promise to never forget you. i know you'll remember me for as long as you live...and your life ends right here, right now, as i tear your heart apart. i'll keep your hair with me, wrapped around my bloody knuckles as a soft, silken reminder of the day you discovered that even the softest words can't heal the deepest wounds. i pray that they find you and use the softest words to hide the hardest truth. i'm covered in your blood...now it's over. we're better. one day we'll forget you were so right and so clever. save me from this love affair with broken hearts before it's too late. save me or save yourself.

Boys night out, so indescribably good. A mix of Fast punk guitar, powerful hardcore riffs, and oftentimes a very upbeat pop punk kind of riff. Along with plenty of screams, and some nice emo singing. Ah the best of pop-punk-emo-hardcore.

Now here are some deep lyrics:
Thursday- Cross out the eyes
Let's call this the quiet city:
Where screams are felt as a wave of stoplights
Drive through the the streets as gunshots punctuate the night
The sides we take divide us from our faith
And the mourning dove gets caught in the telephone wire

Asleep you set the fire in your own house
And the night was a knife that cut
And I'm paralyzed

Cross out the eyes
Blur all the lines
Tearing this canvas from the wall
We crossed out the eyes
Put lines through these cries
We pulled all the leaves from the trees that fall

A silent dance that we did into this hospital bed
Hear voices from another room
"It happens all the time"
But July in the sand
Then the leaves that fall
And counting down our days to live....
Drain the blood from this valentine.

"We can rise on the wings of the dove
See blue skies getting caught in the trail of all this smoke
We can rise like candles in the dark your always"
and an envelope marked with your new address

It was the first time face to face
I'm crossing the line
Talking to the other side of death
Hearing the words that choke memories into flatlines
I'm calling your name, I'm hoping for something to wash these dreams of you away

Our fence was blown down in a winter storm and this field
stretched out of this world into the sound of a trace of blood in a love song
What can we do to put a stop to the coming white days?
I'm hoping for something to wash these dreams of you away.

Thursday, you crazy bunch of fuckers. That shit is so deep it makes me want to cry.

[PUNK rock]

Boys night out, so indescribably good. A mix of Fast punk guitar, powerful hardcore riffs, and oftentimes a very upbeat pop punk kind of riff. Along with plenty of screams, and some nice emo singing. Ah the best of pop-punk-emo-hardcore.

They do have all of what you said Bob...but I'm not a big fan. The way they mix the heavy with the pop punk isn't that great. Hats off to them though, only band I've heard that sounds like them. Maybe Billy Talent. They aren't as heavy and they kick 10x more ass.