TW Mafia: Safety Off

[Jessup]

Fis do you have any info or actions you figured out the night that passed? I mean if you do about undercut please speak up.. the role claim seems wrong to me he made

[Jessup]

So is there something u know about undercut fis or is this just a hunch you have because of previous games you may have played with him?

[WillBy]

For future reference, I am only allowing abstaining on the first day. Abstains and unvotes will be counted as self-votes.

Vote Tally:
Undercut- 7 (Biet, ixt, Jessup, Soilderz, Waz, Wicket666, Zeebu)
Midoent- 2 (Midoent, Voth)
Zeebu- 2 (fiS, Undercut)
turban- 1 (turban)

Phase change at 12:30 central time (~40 minutes)

[Voth]

abstain

fuck this. you're either scum, too bad at mafia, or too special ed to keep playing this game. why are we lynching a possible power role while some of these guys just completely screw off in the background?

unvote undercut

vote midoent

[midoent]

abstain

[fiS]

Also, I feel like adding:
While a busdriver can do a lot of damage to town by causing confusion, I trust a player like Undercut making good decisions. It's not a great powerrole, if you ask me, and I'm thankful that I didn't get it.
Zeebu "only" claimed vanilla Townie with a relation to the godfather.

I would rather risk losing a simple powerless role than the busdriver. And there's a good chance that Zeebu isn't a Vanilla Townie.

[wicket666]

Voth ur logic is flawed. If undercut shows up as town, where do u put zeebu? As it seems u have forgotten what undercut claimed. A mistake lynch doesn't necessarily mean the informant is fake.

It makes zeebu a serial killer, because nuke died by a bus. Bus drivers i believe have immunity at night to swap people out in this game! Nuke coated undercut but because under cut swapped out zeebu nuke gets killed by a bus!

[fiS]

Ohh I'm sorry I wasn't able to post in a while and this evening when I have more time I will go into more detail, looking at certain players more closely (got no time for that atm, but I will come up with something).

So why exactly are you voting Undercut? Has anyone else come up with a good idea here aside from Jessup saying he's got an informant?
I don't get it. He's the only powerrole claim aside from Zeebu's "Special-no-power-role" claim.
Undercut wasn't even in a pressure situation when he roleclaimed, so I don't think it's just out of defense because Jessup threw in a quite random information.
All other claims where just vanilla (which are, if you ask me, pretty stupid because it's making it easier for mafia to target power roles - IF they all are true).

Assuming Undercut's statement isn't made of shit right now:
Night 1: Undercut drove himself with Zeebu. My thought: I don't think it's unlikely that the busdriver can drive himself. Not setting this in stone certainly, but I think I remember a game where Jerome Scruggs was also able to drive himself (might be wrong, it's years ago, maybe anyone else remembers?). And driving yourself as the busdriver isn't a bad option because you know your allignment and might be able to work with the results. Since the busdriver only knows his own role, he wouldn't know what occured if he drove player B with player C without knowing about their allignments? I hope you can follow what I'm saying.

Zeebu was the one to claim an important (lol vanilla) role that matters for the story, so I can even see why Undercut swapped himself with Zeebu.

I'll carefully buy Undercut's claim, and I think Zeebu is a good lynch.
I'm hoping, in case he doesn't flip scum, that he's got a 3rd party role. I could think of WillBy creating a bulletproof survivor because he wants him to stay alive for a while.

For now I'll vote Zeebu

Jessup because apparently it means a lot to you, I also work in the plant, in the IT sector. This IT specification might or might not come with power.
Now how does this help bringing our game forward?
I would like to hear more of substance from you.

There's still plenty of players who we've gotta be careful about.
Like wicket. I don't get any reads from wicket other than he seems to trust Jessup. And why would Undercut's lynch prove anything about Jessup? I don't get the connection.
What about Jessup being mafia and just throwing things in here? Honestly though, I wouldn't expect Jessup bussing a mafia member, I'll give you that, but there's still that possibility of Jessup not being town if Undercut flips scum.

[Soilderz]

Not to sound too much mafia-like but we can't extend the dayphase on and on and on, it's on us townies to try to get some worthwhile in during the day phase, if we dont then tough shit.

[WillBy]

vote [/b]undercut[/b]

No slash on the first one.

vote undercut

[ixt]

wtf lol

[ixt]

vote [/b]undercut[/b]

[WillBy]

Extending this morning's phase due to a lot of posts coming in. Bold your votes by surrounding the text with [ b ] and [ / b ] (no spaces). Phase change at noon CST, around 3 hours from now unless more time is needed. We do need to keep moving...

[Zeebu]

ok under town perspective zeebu is getting fishier and fishier per post. first he reposts the list of the roles (for what purpose) then tries to divert our attention to people aside from our main focus (Jessup, Undercut). hes either a really bad townie or a mafia member whos really bad at acting

my vote is on undercut. im just trying to see if biet has anything to share. information is good, man. gotta try to spot inconsistencies and whatnot.

i posted the list for a couple reasons, one i have never seen a host actually confirm peoples identities before, its not a huge deal and i doubt it means anything. the other reason was to outline exactly what you just said immediately afterwards. only one person had not role claimed yet even though they posted several times. and then i guess another reason is to have a list of players later than the first page. its handy to have that sort of stuff and not have to bounce around all the time. always good to have a constant reminder on who has been posting and who hasnt.

[Jessup]

I don't think we can assume any position has specific roles.. like for example.. nuke was a car parker yet not a busdriver or commuter? just a vanilla town.. I see no rhyme or reason to who has actions and who doesn't so far.

Like you said you are vanilla zeebu even being the narrator position character.. I sort of find that a hard to believe on first impressions. Vanilla mafia god son townie heheh but who knows.. just saying that seems odd. I don't see that position at the plant has much to do with anything concerning action abilities players may get.