[MAFIA] AWOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Voth]

Everyone says they need to know more about me. Literally everything about me is laying here on the table. Mindset, thoughts, suspicions, opinions, voting pattern. Actually even my role, I just didn't obviously roleclaim. You just need to read to know.

I don't mind being lynched at all this game, but if townies are still trying to turn this around, you shouldn't.

Since Rodney died and flipped town I'm doubting Voth's claim again. I wouldn't be surprised if our furry team consists of Voth, Undercut, Zeebu and Willby. (No particular order).

WillBy might aswell be the mecha werewolf who picked a townie and therefore a. there will be no double kill and b. field might have gotten an innocent on him (although I can't find where field would have hinted at that).

It's easy to throw shade on those who are calling you out. It's nothing personal. You believe my claim, now you don't because I'm calling you out as a potential target.

Bottom line is that Willby is scum and is drawing attention away from you for some reason. It certainly appears that he has no interest in refuting that.

Also -- if I were scum like you are, I'd be including Willby, who is outed, and myself, your most vocal detractor, in my scum list. I would do it the exact same way. And that is why I believe that I am right about this.

[Voth]

I think I've already proven I'm not the godfather. The simple fact that I was investigated innocent means means I'm equally likely of being godfather as any of you. The fact that I didnt die means either you or paul saved me or missa was roleblocked.

Theres an inconsistency in people accusing me. First I'd like to establish that there are roles not on this list in the game. If Voth thinks theres no wolf seer, how do you explain my result on fis? Fis hasnt roleclaimed yet. It's way more likely that fis is the alpha and I am, like i claim, tracker.

for now I'm going to vote undercut hes been super quiet

Proven? You haven't proven anything. We have a witch who is, for all intents and purposes at this point with STILL no counterclaim, confirmed. She said she attempted to kill you, and it failed. I didn't protect you, I protected Missa. Paul stated that he protected himself, but his new roleclaim, which I believe, actually suggests that he did not perform an action last night,

That would mean that you are scum, and a mafia role, whether it be a roleblocker or a protective role, went to bat for you.

Nothing has proved you are not scum, nothing has proved you are not the Alpha. But, I feel that you are small potatoes compared to who you tried to draw attention away from, and that is Fis.

[the_paul]

Why do you guys buy in that we have 3.5 protective roles but only one investigative role?

I just have a hard time figuring out the balance between or best guess of wolf roles and all of the (alleged) roleclaims we have from town

[fiS]

Everyone says they need to know more about me. Literally everything about me is laying here on the table. Mindset, thoughts, suspicions, opinions, voting pattern. Actually even my role, I just didn't obviously roleclaim. You just need to read to know.

I don't mind being lynched at all this game, but if townies are still trying to turn this around, you shouldn't.

Since Rodney died and flipped town I'm doubting Voth's claim again. I wouldn't be surprised if our furry team consists of Voth, Undercut, Zeebu and Willby. (No particular order).

WillBy might aswell be the mecha werewolf who picked a townie and therefore a. there will be no double kill and b. field might have gotten an innocent on him (although I can't find where field would have hinted at that).

[WillBy]

Well, I guess anything is possible. The problem we have here is that this game has been highly unpredictable and we have not had the information we need to make informed decisions. Ixt did not give enough information up front and we are left guessing, or he is clarifying things as things come up. So I guess my answer is that I have no fucking clue. My gut would tell me that the Mecha is so overpowered that they have to have a goon, but who knows? There was a shield, I'm the Bodyguard, and you have a power role too, albeit limited.

Why do you guys buy in that we have 3.5 protective roles but only one investigative role?

[WillBy]

I'm interested to hear a respone to exalt's last sentence of the first paragraph. You actually used the terms "at best, marginally useful protective role."

As he said, neither Doctor nor Tough Guy are marginally useful. You've already come out as a protective role, what's the difference between saying that and just saying what your role is? It might help dispel some suspicion and confusion as to why town has three protective roles. I am imagining it is because there is no roleblocker-type role and that was needed for balance. I'm not directly accusing you of anything at this point, but I am interested in what could possibly be a marginally useful protective role.

I still don't buy Willby's claim. It is utter bullshit. I still think he is the Godfather though, because knowing he investigates innocent, he would be the best one to come out with a fake town roleclaim. I can't get past him saying Fis went nowhere on Night 1, while copping out and fake claiming he tracked field, who died, on Night 2. I really do get the immediate feeling that it was by design to protect Fis from any suspicion. My gut tells me Fis is the Mecha Werewolf, and that she has not used her 2-shot nightkill yet OR she learned a town ability that is highly useful and wants to keep her alive. With our Seer dead, if she only had the power of investigating as innocent, then she would not be worth sticking your neck out for.

I think I've already proven I'm not the godfather. The simple fact that I was investigated innocent means means I'm equally likely of being godfather as any of you. The fact that I didnt die means either you or paul saved me or missa was roleblocked.

Theres an inconsistency in people accusing me. First I'd like to establish that there are roles not on this list in the game. If Voth thinks theres no wolf seer, how do you explain my result on fis? Fis hasnt roleclaimed yet. It's way more likely that fis is the alpha and I am, like i claim, tracker.

for now I'm going to vote undercut hes been super quiet

[Voth]

You think that's enough to cancel out all the investigative roles if we're all telling the truth? Granted, all of us who are town have played like absolute dogshit, but in a vacuum that doesn't seem like enough for the mafia to cancel out everything we (allegedly) have, imo

Well, I guess anything is possible. The problem we have here is that this game has been highly unpredictable and we have not had the information we need to make informed decisions. Ixt did not give enough information up front and we are left guessing, or he is clarifying things as things come up. So I guess my answer is that I have no fucking clue. My gut would tell me that the Mecha is so overpowered that they have to have a goon, but who knows? There was a shield, I'm the Bodyguard, and you have a power role too, albeit limited.

[the_paul]

You think that's enough to cancel out all of the protective roles*

Sorry I was thinking about how that would be mafia doesn't have a cop and screwed that up

[the_paul]

I am thinking Alpha, Mecha, Roleblocker OR Protective role, and a Goon.

You think that's enough to cancel out all the investigative roles if we're all telling the truth? Granted, all of us who are town have played like absolute dogshit, but in a vacuum that doesn't seem like enough for the mafia to cancel out everything we (allegedly) have, imo

[Voth]

So if there's 4 werewolves, what are we thinking for the roles? Alpha, mecha, cop, roleblocker?

I am thinking Alpha, Mecha, Roleblocker OR Protective role, and a Goon.

[the_paul]

So if there's 4 werewolves, what are we thinking for the roles? Alpha, mecha, cop, roleblocker?

[Voth]

Vote UNDERCUT

Mainly because I want to hear more from him. Ixt said poison should kill all werewolves, even the alpha, so I don't know how we can assume he is the alpha just because missa's attack failed. I don't really know what direction to go, but hopefully making under and fis speak up gives us a direction to go? I'm certainly open to other suggestions

It sounds like the mafia must have a roleblocker or protective role. Missa showing her cards before the fact and publicly stating what she intended to do was a tragic mistake on her part. Especially considering she followed through on her threat, and didn't pull some misdirection and target someone else. At this point, I'm all but certain that Willby is scum and that Fis is probably a more powerful scum role he is trying to divert attention from. Hence my vote on fis.

[the_paul]

Vote UNDERCUT

Mainly because I want to hear more from him. Ixt said poison should kill all werewolves, even the alpha, so I don't know how we can assume he is the alpha just because missa's attack failed. I don't really know what direction to go, but hopefully making under and fis speak up gives us a direction to go? I'm certainly open to other suggestions

[Jessup]

thx for reveal paul, I'll trust you on this this phase for sure. With the double murder possible in play you are probably right that town needs a scum lynch this phase or we lose. We have to get it right today and are in a terrible situation.

[Voth]

Fuck it, if we screw this lynch up the game is over anyway. I am the Beast Hunter. That's why I said it's a marginally useful role. It takes 1 full phase to go into effect, and it is a 1 shot ability. Furthermore, the alpha will not be affected by the trap, and will kill the person it is on. Again, marginally useful. I specifically checked and made sure that, other than the alpha, if a wolf attacks my target then the wolf dies and my target lives, and I am reduced to a normal vanilla townie afterwards. There you have it, all my cards are on the table, and I am officially useless at night now.

I wouldn't say that you are useless at night. Mafia still does not know which of them you might target. And I actually believe your claim.