MAFIA: Fallen Angels

[the_paul]

I doubled down for 2 reasons

1. I think the commuter claim is complete BS and the moment I read it I laughed. He claimed commuter because I just asked him if he was claiming commuter as a joke, and I think he thought that if he validates me by telling me I guess right that I would back off. On top of that, all of the other reasons why commuter is a scummy claim, which I don't have to list for you.

2. There is momentum on a Kthx lynch. I'm fine with Willby too, I think they are both scum and I'm basing this on their shaky Rodney votes, coupled with general weirdness and out of character playstyle from both players.

As a VT all I have is scumhunting. I have to weaponize it. We're down 1 scum already which puts us in a good spot. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but it seems like most of the players I'm reading as town are also wary of the same players I am. We need to decide on somebody, and right now this is where I'm at.

Want a list? In order of scumminess:

1. Kthx
2. Willby
3. fiS
4. Exalt/Jerome
5. Zeebu
6. The_Paul
7. Rodney

I don't disagree with this list overall, I might switch a couple of orders but for the most part I'm with you. I'd move Jerome up a little bit based on his vote for Wark where his reasoning was just the angel name or whatever. The SK or whatever definitely did us a solid and bought us some time. Your reasons are also fair, at least you can explain the tunnel vision for Wark and you didn't back down from it. My 3 people I would feel fairly confident with lynching today at this particular moment knowing only what we know now would be Willby, Wark, and Jerome. The Jerome lynch would be the one where we'd learn the least imo. I'll throw Exalt on that list as like 3b or something too. Got plenty of other people to hear from, and I'd like to stop voting and unvoting because someone will misread it and lynch me. So I'm going to hold off on a vote but right now I'm absolutely good with one of those 3/4 people.

Unvote HALP

Also I had to add the bolded part because I keep unvoting as we learn new information and someone is going to flail and try to railroad me for it

[kthx]

I think its more likely that mafia got hit by an SK or bodyguard than got bus drivered than us having a bus driver. I have a few reasons for that logic that wont be shared yet. I do however find it weird that Rodney jumped on zeebu that quickly when fis's fairly obvious logic said what I think many of us were thinking.

unvote
vote: rodney

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[kthx]

I doubled down for 2 reasons

1. I think the commuter claim is complete BS and the moment I read it I laughed. He claimed commuter because I just asked him if he was claiming commuter as a joke, and I think he thought that if he validates me by telling me I guess right that I would back off. On top of that, all of the other reasons why commuter is a scummy claim, which I don't have to list for you.

2. There is momentum on a Kthx lynch. I'm fine with Willby too, I think they are both scum and I'm basing this on their shaky Rodney votes, coupled with general weirdness and out of character playstyle from both players.

As a VT all I have is scumhunting. I have to weaponize it. We're down 1 scum already which puts us in a good spot. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but it seems like most of the players I'm reading as town are also wary of the same players I am. We need to decide on somebody, and right now this is where I'm at.

Want a list? In order of scumminess:

1. Kthx
2. Willby
3. fiS
4. Exalt/Jerome
5. Zeebu
6. The_Paul
7. Rodney

So you make a Xog list and once again fail to mention my comments about there not being a bus driver in the game for reasons I wont mention yet before you said anything. You are definitely not helping your case in my opinion. You keep leaving out important details on purpose to make your reasoning more sound than it is. Triple downing at this point.

[Halp]

I'm with you that he's playing differently. I'm also with you that I would be floored if Rodney flips scum. There's been several occasions where he and I have said almost word for word the same thing at almost the same time. It's kind of freaky, but it makes me incredibly confident that he is pro-town. So I'm with you there. But I think if you re-read the last page or so like you're a random player in this game catching up, it makes it looks like you have some tunnel vision for just Kthx at any cost. I don't necessarily buy his commuter claim either, but it was enough for me to at least stop and think things through. It seemed to make you double down and become more insistent, which doesn't strike me as being a particularly good look.

Maybe you have something on Wark that isn't public knowledge. If so, it makes sense to keep it and your claim to yourself, considering its only day fucking 2. But based on what I've seen, I get the suspicion of Willby and Wark, I do not get the tunnel vision certainty that you're displaying.

I doubled down for 2 reasons

1. I think the commuter claim is complete BS and the moment I read it I laughed. He claimed commuter because I just asked him if he was claiming commuter as a joke, and I think he thought that if he validates me by telling me I guess right that I would back off. On top of that, all of the other reasons why commuter is a scummy claim, which I don't have to list for you.

2. There is momentum on a Kthx lynch. I'm fine with Willby too, I think they are both scum and I'm basing this on their shaky Rodney votes, coupled with general weirdness and out of character playstyle from both players.

As a VT all I have is scumhunting. I have to weaponize it. We're down 1 scum already which puts us in a good spot. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but it seems like most of the players I'm reading as town are also wary of the same players I am. We need to decide on somebody, and right now this is where I'm at.

Want a list? In order of scumminess:

1. Kthx
2. Willby
3. fiS
4. Exalt/Jerome
5. Zeebu
6. The_Paul
7. Rodney

[kthx]

Just remember Jerome helping halp with no explanation if I do get lynched and when I show up as what I claimed.

[kthx]

Just to be clear, is the character name your reason for voting Kthx?

I was going to say that is a weird reason to break a tie towards me, a philophy lesson and not much else.

[the_paul]

vote: kthx

googling the 2 dead players + my own name lead to some pretty bizarre/deep wikiholes, "chamuel" leads to similar weird mystical-judeo-christian shit, but alot of the references are different when you look at what obscure religions consider the angel this, or that, and what texts mention him, etc etc etc

possible that this was voth himself looking to fill out a roster of names? possible, but the pool of names the two dead + mine come from would already have enough to draw from

idk

Just to be clear, is the character name your reason for voting Kthx?

[Jerome Scuggs]

vote: kthx

googling the 2 dead players + my own name lead to some pretty bizarre/deep wikiholes, "chamuel" leads to similar weird mystical-judeo-christian shit, but alot of the references are different when you look at what obscure religions consider the angel this, or that, and what texts mention him, etc etc etc

possible that this was voth himself looking to fill out a roster of names? possible, but the pool of names the two dead + mine come from would already have enough to draw from

idk

[the_paul]

All of my reasons are not backfiring. I was wrong about the name, but that was not my reason for voting. Kthx has been playing distanced all game, talking about tapwater, not really engaging in anything game related until today. I've been getting scum vibes from him, as well as willby, while at the same time feeling pretty confident that you and rodney are town. So willby's vote on rodney was a red flag. That could just be willby reading the game differently, but then wark jumped aboard with different but equally weak reasoning, and that's what makes it look organized to me. Commuter is a notoriously scummy claim. It can't be proven without wasting actions and outing another power role. I think I gave him his claim by jokingly asking if he was claiming commuter when he said he'd been driving since Wednesday. Was all the tapwater bs part of his role hinting too?

I'm with you that he's playing differently. I'm also with you that I would be floored if Rodney flips scum. There's been several occasions where he and I have said almost word for word the same thing at almost the same time. It's kind of freaky, but it makes me incredibly confident that he is pro-town. So I'm with you there. But I think if you re-read the last page or so like you're a random player in this game catching up, it makes it looks like you have some tunnel vision for just Kthx at any cost. I don't necessarily buy his commuter claim either, but it was enough for me to at least stop and think things through. It seemed to make you double down and become more insistent, which doesn't strike me as being a particularly good look.

Maybe you have something on Wark that isn't public knowledge. If so, it makes sense to keep it and your claim to yourself, considering its only day fucking 2. But based on what I've seen, I get the suspicion of Willby and Wark, I do not get the tunnel vision certainty that you're displaying.

[kthx]

I told you that I've been working a lot and that's why I hadn't been posting very much besides silly crap that I didn't have to really think too much about, whatever you sent commuter I laughed my ass off because you had gotten it right but I didn't roll claim yet because there was no point to. I'm giving you several examples pointing to me making comments about what my role was before you had said anyting and yet you still reverse flailed on me to try to get me lynched even though what I said was reasonable

[Voth]

CURRENT VOTE COUNT:

Halp - 2 (Kthx, the_paul)
Kthx - 2 (Halp, Rodney)
zeebu - 1 (fis)
Rodney - 1 (Willby)

MISSING VOTES FROM: Jerome, zeebu, Exalt

**FYI** You may or may not see field drop in for a vote count or two this weekend. I am very busy this weekend and so is he, so we intend to tag team it to an extent. What a guy, amirite? I was hoping that night phase would fall over the weekend, but I certainly am not going to rush the game along. Just a heads up, if that zombie pops in, he was intended to do so.

[Halp]

What? I agree Kthx has played pretty differently, but what the hell are you doing Halp? All of your "reasons" are backfiring, and you just keep doubling down, what is with the tunnel vision on Kthx? Wark might be scum, but you're not making a very good case that you're town and he's not.

Vote HALP

All of my reasons are not backfiring. I was wrong about the name, but that was not my reason for voting. Kthx has been playing distanced all game, talking about tapwater, not really engaging in anything game related until today. I've been getting scum vibes from him, as well as willby, while at the same time feeling pretty confident that you and rodney are town. So willby's vote on rodney was a red flag. That could just be willby reading the game differently, but then wark jumped aboard with different but equally weak reasoning, and that's what makes it look organized to me. Commuter is a notoriously scummy claim. It can't be proven without wasting actions and outing another power role. I think I gave him his claim by jokingly asking if he was claiming commuter when he said he'd been driving since Wednesday. Was all the tapwater bs part of his role hinting too?

[WillBy]

Oh willby you right, you right. Ok well that does put a hole in the flavor part of it, but it could easily be a fake nameclaim. If you're a fallen angel you would have needed to settle on a name to fakeclaim at some point. Pretty small chance of being countered.. I don't think this changes anything for me.

To be fair, I wasn't able to (easily) find a list of fallen angels, so I hope Voth just picked randoms as the "fallen". My least favorite role claim I've ever done was bladerunner mafia, where the mafia was the bad guys from the movie. Name-claim and gg

[the_paul]

What? I agree Kthx has played pretty differently, but what the hell are you doing Halp? All of your "reasons" are backfiring, and you just keep doubling down, what is with the tunnel vision on Kthx? Wark might be scum, but you're not making a very good case that you're town and he's not.

Vote HALP

[Halp]

Oh willby you right, you right. Ok well that does put a hole in the flavor part of it, but it could easily be a fake nameclaim. If you're a fallen angel you would have needed to settle on a name to fakeclaim at some point. Pretty small chance of being countered.. I don't think this changes anything for me.