TW Mafia 2020: TIGER KING - Murder, Mayhem, Madness

[Halp]

Halp Anyways we can speed up these phases now once u get the actions sent in halp?

Sure can!

[Jessup]

PS. Will mafia please kill me tonight and not Poopcat or Zeebu . They deserve to live since I did train on PF which led to both PF and OTI dying.

Joe Fuckin Exotic has spoken to show how much I care for town :wings:

[Jessup]

Halp Anyways we can speed up these phases now once u get the actions sent in halp?

[Zeebu]

Set it and forget it

[Jessup]

O wow I took a nap. lol kass, GG ! You went down swinging. The effort you kept putting in at the end was making me think scum at this stage would never do that and just give up. lol That kill goes out to PF and OTI. It is all their logic

[PoopCat]

Oh thank sweet baby Jesus, gg Kassius! Nice work, town! You’re next m_leo ;D

[Halp]

Begin Night 5

[Halp]

“Goldilocks bitch”

Kassius / Allen Glover / Mafia Roleblocker is dead.

Final vote count:

Kassius / 4 / Jessup, PoopCat, M_Leohnard, Zeebu
M_Leohnard / 1 / Kassius

[Kassius]

Thanks Jess, not going to happen though.

[Jessup]

Last chance to vote M_Leo Zeebu PoopCat

I'm good with a flip vote to M_leo as he was claiming doctor and failed not only last phase but all game with this claim while kass has a small chance of remaining town. We still have majority and no roleblockers of our own so even if kass is mafia roleblocker or strongman it doesn't really matter. Likely either myself or poop will die anyways tonight as scum gets one more kill.

[Halp]

Official vote count:

Kassius / 4 / Jessup, PoopCat, M_Leohnard, Zeebu
M_Leohnard / 1 / Kassius

Phase change in a few hours!

[Kassius]

Thanks for the analysis summary poop. If I've offended you or annoyed you, I apologise. This forum, you must realise, is a breeding ground for boys that were 13-18 years old in 2000, playing a game where in-your-face abuse and insults is the norm, and it just spills out into the forum. It's not very female-friendly at all, and I don't think it ever will be, it's just not that culture here. Characters were born in this game that have no changed or aged in 20 years, and serves as a bit of a socialistic time capsule back to the dawn of playing games on the Internet, where all of this was 100% acceptable.

Moving on, I'm realising my time is up. But I'd like to take issue with 2 points from yourself, Jessup.

This 'late train' on Leo, is not a late train at all. I'm fairly sure I've been calling out Leo since Vehicle was still around. I've been trying to get you guys to vote him for a very long time.

The second is the how am I a mafia strongman? It doesn't make sense. PF knows I have a blocking ability, she says I might be a mafia roleblocker, but I'm a jailer. I tried to jailer N3, for protection as she'd said she was next in lin,e, and at that point I believed her to be a town 2-shot vigi.

In summary, me or Leo. Other than Leo is scum and I'm not, he's never protected anyone successfully all game. I've had 2 successes out of 2, kthx and PF (if PF hadn't counteracted my ability itself). Tonight is an odd night, u can now jail again, I can keep someone alive, or stop someone from killing. I'm leaning more towards zeebu than yourself poop, so I think the safe choice tonight is to jail either yourself or zeebu after Leo is dead. At least we have options. If someone dies even though I've done this, we know the last scum alive is a strongman.

If the ordering doesn't matter, at least let me use my utility tonight, Leo can supposedly use his every night.

I'm annoyed that OTI died, it completely framed me, and she could have verified my jailing attempts. Scum are systematically taking out all power roles that help us prove who each other is.

[PoopCat]

Jessup With everything that has been going on in the world, it’s completely understandable to miss something on the read through yesterday. I was pissed about the flip, but it would be lying if I didn’t have a tiny suspicion that I was wrong and PF was the greatest con artist of all time. Whether town wins or loses, I’ve really enjoyed participating in this game with you, my lovely friend family, and the rest of the TW folk (even if it’s been a little frustrating at times ).

[Jessup]

Thx PC! Good post. I feel these are the two we should probably stick with too. I find it interesting Kass sort of put her own train on M_leo. I also noticed kass was gloating earlier about night kills almost in this tongue and cheek way. I got to watch my gut feelings as I obviously was a complete dum dum when I went for a hardcore train on PF using my gut feeling yesterday. I was TERRIFIED PF was the mafia strongman. I definitely think they have one this game the way these roles modifier abilities have lined up. Now I have this feeling Kass may be the strongman mafia who has done all the night kills and couldn't help but interject a hidden pleasure at the night deaths while trying to relate it to the Vigi kills PF was doing as her talking tiger the night kthx died

I'm thinking M_leo is a mafia doctor protective role perhaps. This would explain why kass is ok trying a last gasp train on him as a last ditch effort to sway one of us so she can take out zeebu tomorrow night and block zeebu's bulletproof vest tonight for a kill. It would make sense for kass to do this at least.

I'm not 100% sure. It has been a terrible day today for me sadly and at this stage to even write this post was really hard. So sad whats going on in usa and also having issues elsewhere in these forums. I also allow myself to get too wrapped up in these games and feel really bad about PF and OTI dying as a direct result of myself. (No this is not some hidden scum ploy but the honest truth) If I die / hang or make it to the end you all will see I'm still a green townie. I totally got carried away on that train and refused to listen openly to what PF was saying. I hate being a noobie like that.

I'm find with kass vote sticking. Halp when is this phase over??

[PoopCat]

Ugh. Honestly, it's a toss-up for first lynch between m_leonhard and Kassius. I'm fairly sure both are scum, but I can't rule out the possibility I have a bad read and one is scum and the other town. There isn't anything so far from Zeebu that has led me to be as suspicious of him. Huge post incoming, but hey, y'all like to read so here ya go!

The case against m_leonhard

1. Wasn't on any scum train. Sure, he voted for cult, but I suspect it was more motivated by not voting against their scum buddies.
   What's worse is this post from PF after you got sassy about her "pushing to rush" the phase change. By that point, the phase had gone on forever, town had finally congealed behind the mafioso Vehicle, and some were floating delaying the change until the next day. PF laid it out rather clearly:
   

   Nobody’s stopping you from doing your own analysis, I even provided cites for mine so you could read along and decide for yourself. But, you came out hard in favor of willby during day 2, and iirc you were on the scarlet lynch train on day 1, so IMO you’re prolly scum w/vehicle so it fits that you’re looking to throw shade at me now and allege with NO support that I’ve been “high on the scum list all game” -this just isn’t true. You scummy AF and also led the game by saying you’re here to start a sex cult. SCUMMY AF.

2. PF's Summary:
   

   m_leonhard is mafia (maybe really a doctor but those were obviously not his real targets if so), Erik Cowie, who testified against Joe Exotic at trial, revealing that Joe would kill the zoo's tigers (hmmmmm does this sound fitting right now?? Doesn't this sound like a big enemy of Joe's zoo??) (link).
   
   m_leonhard is obviously scum and waited so long to make his claim because he was waiting to see our stories about our night actions before giving a made up story that doesn't conflict because he's smart enough to know I'll catch him in a lie so his best option is to not contribute.

3. His cover story is that he managed not to successfully doctor anyone, with the most grievous instance being The_Paul on N3. He said he protected the Voyeur N3, instead of the watcher whose results lead to killing two non-town players. (Plus I knew he wasn't culted after N2, so I'm extra salty about that - UNFORGIVABLE!)

In conclusion, m_leonhard is almost certainly "SCUMMY AF", so I'm down to vote for m_leonhard tomorrow regardless of what Kass flips.

The case against Kassius

1. You claimed:
   

   On the timing of my vote on the phase just gone with PF, remember I had my vote on Leo since almost right at the start, for the whole phase. The timing to switch to PF was unavoidable, we were headed for a tie (no-lynch this game) and this would have made town lose. I put my neck on the line, again, for town. If I was scum, why make myself look suspicious, when a no-lynch is a great result for them? I had to make a call, go against our only confirmed Townie who I can trust (you), or go with the others who haven't been confirmed town? Other than saying 'I am town'...

   The phase change hadn't been announced, OTI's vote was on you, and you switched to PF and stayed there even after OTI broke the tie scenario by switching to m_leo.
   1. Could it be a mistake? Maybe. However, you spent A LOT of time this game arguing it was scummy that folks weren't giving enough reasons for their vote on you, only to back your scum-hammer vote with the sole logic of following Jessup... despite having spent half the day phase trash talking her and accusing her of being cult.
2. I'm in agreement with OverthinkingIt and PF's thoughts here:

   1. Kassius: idk possibly a townie jailer but at this point it looks like she's pretty clearly (to me at least) a mafia roleblocker (could be jailer) with m_leonhard. I think their strategy this day phase has been to have kassius snuggle up to me and compile the information, hand it of to m_leonhard to make an okay list of pretend night actions, then change her vote to me last minute (probably hoping to hammer right before phase change--scummy AF)

   2. kassius is still my top pick.
      1) I don’t see any flavor interpretation of Allen Glover as town. (Since he hasn’t seen the show I think he was leaning into the idea that the characters are all complicated and mostly could be interpreted different ways).
      2) his story doesn’t seem to really line up to me. Why do his n actions target the same people as Poopcat? He says he jailed PF N3, but she claims she killed kthx. Wouldn’t he have gotten a fail?
      3) His claim that his role will be most helpful of remaining roles is bs. I don’t think we’ll still be playing the N5 phase. It’s possible, but I don’t think terribly likely. Then again I’m a newb.
      4) He seems to be pandering to me by saying I’m super believable. I’m suspicious that he’s trying to use this to gain my alignment bc I’m new and naive.

3. Finally, there's also an element of me just being a salty bitch. I know this forum's got a bit more in-your-face style, but townies should know you don't win friends by spitting fire at them. Rattle enough townie cages throughout the game and you just might get lynched by the end of it.

Regardless, I gotta know Kass's alignment, and if it is town (which I doubt), I am immediately sorry... But with no new information, I think I'm alright keeping my vote here.