Holiday Mafia: Not A Creature Was Stirring....

[Vehicle]

I never said 100 percent.

Found two scum already. Vehicle is confirmed scum, and Willby is 99% his scum buddy. RAH RAH 2020 VOTH!

By my count you've called me "confirmed scum" 4 times and it wasn't until your second or third post that you acknowledged the fact that a bus driver or hypnotist might be tricking you. Even after that, though, you've continued to call me "confirmed scum."

It's basically on the same level as Trump saying "I'm fine with masks, I never said don't wear masks" while at the same time mocking people for wearing masks. You're trying to drive a bullshit narrative but, in true form, have started to include tiny little asterisks so you can cay "whoopsy" when I die and flip town.

It's bullshit. I was starting to lean towards believing your roleclaim and thinking you were hypnotized instead of thinking you were deliberately misleading town. But the fact that you're now spouting complete falsehoods and are doubling down on your theory over and over again really makes me think you're trying to pull some kind of big play.

[Voth]

There's a friendly bus driver and an enemy hypnotist around and you're 100 percent faith in the "results" you claim to have gotten make it pretty clear to me that you're either not trying, have an incredibly low IQ, or are lying about your role claim.

Right now, because I know you're a better player than what you're acting as, I'm thinking you're lying about your claim.

With our psychic dead, though, it is a gamble to lynch you, so maybe someone else has some evidence they want to offer. But until then I think you win this phases Most Likely to Be Scum award.

I never said 100 percent. By my own admission, there is a path to you not being scum. What I said was that the chance of you being scum far outweigh the coin flip of randomly lynching someone out of nowhere. Get a grip and please stop being purposefully dense - it's embarrassing to be put on blast like this and act so obviously scummy in response.

[Vehicle]

Yes, I stalked Vehicle last night. Guess who visited Beast? I don't think I need 4D chess to tell any of you the answer.

There's a friendly bus driver and an enemy hypnotist around and you're 100 percent faith in the "results" you claim to have gotten make it pretty clear to me that you're either not trying, have an incredibly low IQ, or are lying about your role claim.

Right now, because I know you're a better player than what you're acting as, I'm thinking you're lying about your claim.

With our psychic dead, though, it is a gamble to lynch you, so maybe someone else has some evidence they want to offer. But until then I think you win this phases Most Likely to Be Scum award.

[Jessup]

lol ok ..I been in this situation so many times and it always bites me in ass sigh.. why of all people do i gotta trust voth?? lolloll seems very neat and convenient .. either A plus township or Good mafia play.. and well .. i'm pretty unsure what to believe atm sigh. I have a REALLY hard time believing both of you but particularly Voth.. Exalt had more up front play by saying he did no action and his claim fits why that would be but Voth just seems to try and be shocking every1 with a huge play .. it cud be tru but the chances are so slim lol.. I dunno tho , gotta hear from others what they think.

[Voth]

Yes, I stalked Vehicle last night. Guess who visited Beast? I don't think I need 4D chess to tell any of you the answer.

[Voth]

OH you mean there's a potential I was bus driven in a game that DEFINITELY HAS A BUS DRIVER.

And you only bring that up a day after voting for me?

You're basically soft claiming here, and as usual are unwilling to even think beyond the most cursory level possibilities.

We know there is a bus driver, and yet any vote for anyone other than me is anti-town even though you admit that a bus driver ruins your 'deduction'.

The question for me now is do I think you really are that stupid or do I think you think everyone else is that stupid? Given your track record, I'm going with the latter and my vote stays on you for now.

I think you're scum, soft-claiming to drive a narrative in the hopes of claiming an easy scum win on Day 3 or whatever. And I think exalt is usually smarter than this, which leads me to believe he's your accomplice.

I stopped reading thread here. Know what the definition of anti-town is? Taking a literal guess on who might be scum when there is information to work off that has a much higher probability of hanging scum than a random guess. You can try to spin it all you want, but anyone with a brain will read this and see scum doing a historically bad job at flailing.

[Vehicle]

Well if Voth is the Stalker than either you're the Bus Driver and you drove yourself, your you're scum/third party. Pretty sure you're just scum though.

Voth is lying. He's soft claiming stalker but not saying it outright but it's pretty obvious. I think he, as usual, thinks he is playing 4D chess and is smarter than everyone else.

I know what my role is, that's how I know he's a liar.

[Exalt]

BS exalt I don't agree with that.. you are hinging everything on YOUR claim dude which could be fake.. Very neat and tidy way of keeping everyone in their box so you and your scum buddies get a pass today. The busdriver I think is key to explain how beast died N1 imo.

I'm hinging everything on the fact that there will be no CC, my claim is obviously real, and we lose AUTOMATICALLY if we do not lynch scum today. We could've lost AUTOMATICALLY on Night 1 if I used my role and a townie died to my role as well. Common sense dictates that we have to hit scum EVERY single night AND have to fuck them up somehow by making them kill themselves with the Bus Driver. We are literally at 3 town vs 3 scum vs 1 Sk right now. For all intents and purposes, we already lost if the SK votes with scum today, although the SK will also lose.

So my point is, there is no time for games and no room for error. If you were possibly town, you'd know to stop fucking up immediately.

[Exalt]

I forgot that there's a Hypnotist in this game btw. ToS roles are weird. Anyway, wiki says:

• You may hypnotize one player each Night, giving them a false message once the Night ends.

Basically, they can give a false message. That could mean Vehicle is innocent Voth if you were targeted by the Hypno

[Jessup]

BS exalt I don't agree with that.. you are hinging everything on YOUR claim dude which could be fake.. Very neat and tidy way of keeping everyone in their box so you and your scum buddies get a pass today. The busdriver I think is key to explain how beast died N1 imo.

[Exalt]

Did you track him to Beast or something? I don't get how you know? From my point of view I see zero evidence so far pointing to anyone.

I didn't encouage the bus driver to reveal I asked why it would be a bad idea to exalt. I do feel busdriver could probably share some insight into what happened last night and maybe they want to help but are holding back because of what exalt said.

Common sense. If Bus Driver reveals after I already claimed Crusader, it's game over for town. That's literally all there is to it.

Case in point:

Scenario 1: Scum have a Roleblocker. Let's pretend the Bus Driver claims. They Roleblock me and kill the Bus Driver. Game over.

Scenario 2: Scum have a Roleblocker. Let's pretend the Bus Driver claims. They Roleblock the Bus Driver and kill me. Game over.


Literally any Bus Driver claim is game over for town. You must not be town due to that Jessup. Another scum bites the dust.

[Exalt]

OH you mean there's a potential I was bus driven in a game that DEFINITELY HAS A BUS DRIVER.

And you only bring that up a day after voting for me?

You're basically soft claiming here, and as usual are unwilling to even think beyond the most cursory level possibilities.

We know there is a bus driver, and yet any vote for anyone other than me is anti-town even though you admit that a bus driver ruins your 'deduction'.

The question for me now is do I think you really are that stupid or do I think you think everyone else is that stupid? Given your track record, I'm going with the latter and my vote stays on you for now.

I think you're scum, soft-claiming to drive a narrative in the hopes of claiming an easy scum win on Day 3 or whatever. And I think exalt is usually smarter than this, which leads me to believe he's your accomplice.

Well if Voth is the Stalker than either you're the Bus Driver and you drove yourself, your you're scum/third party. Pretty sure you're just scum though.

[Vehicle]

I don't think you guys understand. When I say Vehicle is confirmed scum, I mean he's confirmed scum. Unless he was bus driven last night - that's the only way he isn't scum. Any votes for anyone besides Vehicle at this point are anti-town. Sorry.

OH you mean there's a potential I was bus driven in a game that DEFINITELY HAS A BUS DRIVER.

And you only bring that up a day after voting for me?

You're basically soft claiming here, and as usual are unwilling to even think beyond the most cursory level possibilities.

We know there is a bus driver, and yet any vote for anyone other than me is anti-town even though you admit that a bus driver ruins your 'deduction'.

The question for me now is do I think you really are that stupid or do I think you think everyone else is that stupid? Given your track record, I'm going with the latter and my vote stays on you for now.

I think you're scum, soft-claiming to drive a narrative in the hopes of claiming an easy scum win on Day 3 or whatever. And I think exalt is usually smarter than this, which leads me to believe he's your accomplice.

[Jessup]

What ideas Jessup? I am literally telling you that absent Vehicle being bus driven last night, he is confirmed scum. 100%. A throwaway vote on Paul and trying to encourage the bus driver to identify themselves is very scummy behavior. Is that the scum team? Vehicle, Willby, Jessup?

Did you track him to Beast or something? I don't get how you know? From my point of view I see zero evidence so far pointing to anyone.

I didn't encouage the bus driver to reveal I asked why it would be a bad idea to exalt. I do feel busdriver could probably share some insight into what happened last night and maybe they want to help but are holding back because of what exalt said.

[Voth]

What ideas Jessup? I am literally telling you that absent Vehicle being bus driven last night, he is confirmed scum. 100%. A throwaway vote on Paul and trying to encourage the bus driver to identify themselves is very scummy behavior. Is that the scum team? Vehicle, Willby, Jessup?