For all of you who play CS: Source

[Mr. Peanuts]

Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
January 17, 2005, 3:12 pm · Alfred Reynolds
A Counter-Strike: Source update is available and will be applied automatically when Steam is restarted. The changes include:

* Added Counter-Strike bots. For a more detailed description, click here
* Added new bomb defusal map de_tides
* Updated version of de_cbble to allow bots to navigate ladders
* Updated version of cs_office. Fixes minor issue with projector
* Updated version of de_dust2 to allow 40 players
* Optimization to the way that dynamic props are checked. On higher end CPUs, this can result in more than a 5% total frame rate increase
* Fixed bug where players would get twice the normal money at the start of a round
* Weapon models are now checked at startup to make sure they are within limits for size
* Fixed a bug that would allow a player to throw two flashbangs at once
* Added “motdfile” cvar, which sets the filename for the message of the day on the server
* Fixed logic that will automatically kick players for killing hostage or being idle for a long time

Updating it as we speak, sounds great, anyone recieved this update yet? What do you think?

[Mr. Peanuts]

Tested it, buggy memory eating engine + bots = bad idea. Good on my friend's souped up rig but for my slightly modest 2.0GHz, 768Mb RAM, 9800XT system, it was pretty hellish dropping to around 10 fps and hitting a max of around 20 with just 12 bots. de_tides is alright but a bit of an fps stealer with all the attention to detail Valve put in creating the architecture.

Hitbox problem seems to have been resolved and some of the maps still can't support the 64 player fragfests.

Overall, the online play has improved a fair bit but the bots aren't a feature I will be using too often.

[froedrick]

I can't wait till DoD source comes out man... Peanuts anytime you want to play a round of CS, msg me on steam or in continuum.

[Mr. Peanuts]

Yeah, hopefully DoD: Source will be as pleasing as CS: Source but without the issues. I'll drop you a line one day.

[Ewan]

I could happily run 3 bots + me on dust2 on a 1GHz Athlon with a Geforce2 MX440 without any fps loss.

Tides sucks, it's nice looking but I just don't like it.

The bots are a lot better than I expected, they talk to you and stuff "Go double doors!" "Argh, I've been hit, need help!" etc... (You can choose Normal Radio (Which is as if they are talking into a mic and stay stuff like above), Minimal (Which I haven't tried, but I guess is stuff like "Affirmative") and Standard which is similar to Normal, but they use the standard radio commands instead of speaking.

They have 4 settings, Easy, Medium, Hard and Expert.

I tried Easy and Hard, easy was, as it says, stupidly easy, hard seemed quite even with my skills. I played 2 v 2 (me + bot vs bot + bot) on dust2 with bots on hard for about 10 rounds, score ended 6 - 4 to me (I was T). They seem to be good at working with people and other bots as a team, and I even used them on a custom map (Aim_akcolt_source) and they seemed to handle that fine. I would like to see how they respond to a custom bomb/defuse map. They get flashed and respond to sound just like everyone else.

There are, as expected, a few bugs. One I noticed was after planting the bomb at A on dust2, the bot (who had bought an AWP) zoomed right in and aimed at a wall about 1m away for about a 20 seconds or so.

[DoTheFandango]

Bots are really amazing on Expert...

They just run around with AWPs and nail everyone in the fucking head.

[Dameon Angell]

Yeah, they need to fix the aim_map style games cause you can't spawn with full ammo nor do the 'spawned' weapons stay.

[Mr. Peanuts]

They're just the CZ bots but with better skills with the snipers and nades, they shouldn't eat much memory but I guess thats down to the Source engine.

[Ewan]

Btw, what was this hitbox problem people talked about?

[Mr. Peanuts]

I think the hitboxes were too big and there was apparently a big where you shot someone's feet and you got a headshot.

Also some of the hitboxes lagged with player movement.

[Miku19]

I think the hitboxes were too big and there was apparently a big where you shot someone's feet and you got a headshot.

Also some of the hitboxes lagged with player movement.

You're typing in past tense, does this mean they're fixed?

[Mr. Peanuts]

Well I haven't noticed anything as of yet, however still a lot of lucky headshots being performed on me.

EDIT: I'll try to test it with a zombified bot.

EDIT: Tomorrow

[Dameon Angell]

I think the hitboxes were too big and there was apparently a big where you shot someone's feet and you got a headshot.

Also some of the hitboxes lagged with player movement.

The hitboxes are all fixed. Cause, I know I got my ass owned with normal weapons, but for some reason, my awping was perfect. Now, its the total opposite, I'm back to my normal ways

But there's a good explanation. My AWP aiming was so horrible, that with the jacked up hit boxes, it was good, now that it's all fixed, I can play normally again.

Oh and de_tides is awesome.

[DoTheFandango]

I blasted some kid today in the gut with a shotgun and I got a headshot, so I still think they have some glitches.

[Dameon Angell]

Nah, I blast people with the shotgun in 1.5 and get headshots. Its nothing wrong with it.