Tribute thread

[Sarien]

Play through, at least, FF 4-6 before you start going on about a "Final Fantasy Tribute" etc. You just look like a dumbass when you go on about how FF is so great, yet you haven't even played half of the games in the series.

As opposed to you looking like a dumbass just through your standard behavior. Do you actually decide to be a dickhead, or does it just happen automagically?

RPG newbies eh? Well I'm glad your mommy bought you Final Fantasy for NES. I've never particularly cared for the Final Fantasy games.
I had Dragon Warrior 1 for NES, that was kind of enjoyable, but nowhere near the caliber of Wasteland and Starflight for the PC, which was where I'd rather play RPGs than on a console.

It was nicer looking than Ultima III which was probably among the first computer RPGs I played. But Ultima had the whole more traditional RPG feel. Alongside Bard's Tale, Wizardry, and several others, of course.

Nothing will ever top Wasteland in my book though.
If people want to talk about the games they like, stop attempting to show them up. Fucking Dick.

[Stabwound]

I don't give 2 shits what you say. It's fucking retarded to say that you're such a big fan of Final Fantasy when you haven't played half of the games. End of story. I'd guess that pratically no one here has played any of the Ultima or Bard's Tale games either.

[Nosey]

from now on you cant say you liked a game unless you've played and remember every single aspect of each one before it

[Stabwound]

fuck it. Go play Final Fantasy VIIIXIXIIXIZXIIXIXI and forget about it

[Mr. Peanuts]

I like to blow shit up.

[Troll King]

You're wrong TK

There is really only one thing that is pure Final Fantasy, and that is the battle system.. Some of the FF games uses a different camera angle, but it's the same system, and it's the battle system who makes the game what it is.

Didn't they get rid of the Active Battle System, a system that was once revolutionary for console RPGs, with FFX? And even then it's only been around since FF4. Again, even you accept that as a common FF trait, then you're still only looking at a mechanical and in a way, a superficial aspect of the game. I'm talking about THEMES.

[Noah]

It's still there in FFX TK, and the ENTIRE battle system isn't some superficial aspect of the game, you can call it whatever the fuck you want. It's what got me stuck to the series.

And stabwound what the fuck do you got stuck up your ass? You're basically comming barging in here telling us that we all suck because we haven't played FF1-6, (I haven't played 1-3). So fucking what? We still enjoyed it? Why the fuck do you think you are above us because you have played the first games?

And no, I haven't played Ultima.. I guess I'm a fucking newb for not having my mom buy it for me when I was a kid. Get over your fucking self stab, you're starting to stink.

And if you feel like warning/banning me for voicing my opinion THE DO IT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!

[Stabwound]

It's just something that always bothered me. It's like when a band like, for example, the Beastie Boys have tons of albums that span 20+ years, and then they will come out with a new album/single and the next thing you know, all the 14 year old kids across the country talk about how they love the Beastie Boys and how they're the best band ever, even though they don't even know that they have other albums dating back to the early 80s.

[Noah]

They are still allowed to think that Beastie Boys is the best band ever Stab, regardless if they have listened to them 20 years or 20 days.

People who has only played FFX and FFX2 is allowed to say that they think Final Fantasy is the best series ever. You have absolutley no right to attack them because they liked it, or even if they state that Final Fantasy is the best gaming series ever.

[Cylor]

It's contradictory to say that the newer Final Fantasy games are nothing like the original ones, and then criticize people for not playing the original ones. That's like saying you can't like the new Macintosh computers if you didn't use the shitty-ass old ones. Elitism isn't founded on logic, though, so continue to condescend to us "RPG newbies."

[Rooj]

I loved when Asheron's Call came out. Gawww! I played it ever since frikkin 94. I quit in 1999 though cuz they totally screwed it up.. It woud literally take me 8 months to get to level 35. Now you can get to level 80 in one day. everyone's at their highest level right now (126). It's totally stupid. The only interesting thing now is the Player Killer portion of the game.

[Troll King]

No it's not, Noah. In FFX, the battles are turn based. It's not the old turn based system where everyone on your team gets to enter their commands before the fighting starts, but a hybrid where everyone gets their own turn.. They may have adjusted things so that an attack will take place while you're inputting more commands but it will still wait for you to do something first. Active Battle was when the game kept cycling through turns so if you don't do anything the enemy will keep attacking again and again.

And it's not contradictory at all, Cylor. Look at your analogy again and you'll see the difference. The actual analogy would be that you can't say that all macs were great if you don't know what all the macs were like.

[Noah]

I'd say that the difference between the active, hybride and the turn based system is just skindeep.. It has always felt as pretty much the same nomatter which game og the series I played. They can turn camera angles, they can even change how the turns work or if there are turns at all. It will still FEEL the same, and I think that many others feels the exact same way about it.

[Troll King]

But the rest of it doesn't "feel" the same, especially in the settings and storylines. I felt that FFVII was set in too futuristic a setting. It also has a darker mood to it than any of the others, either before or after. There was very much of a Blade Runner atmosphere to it. FFVIII tried to make it a bit lighter and even more colourful, but they made it feel almost alien. FFIX went back to a world more like the original 6 games, with a heavy medieval setting with fantastical ingenuity in the technology like the Airships. It was like, in a way, you felt like they shouldn't have had that kind of technology in that era, but if they did, it would look exactly like that. FFX does the same and I think that was what FFVIII should have looked like (obviously not in terms of graphic quality but design).

With the storylines though, I think FFX takes the biggest departure from the series. The others except the first one shared at least a common theme of an evil empire trying to take over, with most adding a twist where the true villain was the one manipulating the evil empire.

I'm not saying that some of these where bad games; each in its own is a quality game especially for its era. My only gripe is that it seems that the series seems to have departed from an overall idea, and pretty much any RPG could have been given the FF label after only a few superficial changes.

[Noah]

But the rest of it doesn't "feel" the same, especially in the settings and storylines. I felt that FFVII was set in too futuristic a setting. It also has a darker mood to it than any of the others, either before or after. There was very much of a Blade Runner atmosphere to it. FFVIII tried to make it a bit lighter and even more colourful, but they made it feel almost alien. FFIX went back to a world more like the original 6 games, with a heavy medieval setting with fantastical ingenuity in the technology like the Airships. It was like, in a way, you felt like they shouldn't have had that kind of technology in that era, but if they did, it would look exactly like that. FFX does the same and I think that was what FFVIII should have looked like (obviously not in terms of graphic quality but design).

With the storylines though, I think FFX takes the biggest departure from the series. The others except the first one shared at least a common theme of an evil empire trying to take over, with most adding a twist where the true villain was the one manipulating the evil empire.

I'm not saying that some of these where bad games; each in its own is a quality game especially for its era. My only gripe is that it seems that the series seems to have departed from an overall idea, and pretty much any RPG could have been given the FF label after only a few superficial changes.

The storyline doesn't need the same feel as the other games, it should be unique (or in some series follow eachother with the same characters). And what settings are you actually referring to? The character build up?
I don't think it really matters what world Final Fantasy is set in, if it's a futuristic future or if it's a medieval setting. This can all change to create a larger diversity in the Final Fantasy stories. I totally understand why they keep changing the worlds you play in. Pretty much the same with the storyline too..

I do strongly disagree that you can change a few superficial things on a game to give it a FF label.. It's just that there is so much diversity in the FF series that it can seem like anything could be a FF game, they always keep a few key things from game to game that gives you the feeling of FF. It's really hard to point out exactly what it is.

Anyway, I think this boils down to a very basic subject, and that's what making FF special and fun to you and me. It might be different things, and we can both recognize those things throughout the series.