Research 9/11

[Jerome Scuggs]

it was actually one place that hit both towers and the pentagon

but to avoid the "magic plane" conspiracy theory they just said it was 3 and did a manchurian-candidate-style video coverup

[Sarien]

that it was another staged event, like so many throughout history. that the CIA ran drills of planes flying into buildings on the morning of 9/11 and used it to order NORAD to stand down and that right prior to 9/11 project for the new american century openly talked about the need for a new pearl harbor like event as a pretext for action in the middle east, and that the buildings could have only come down by demolition explosives which seismigraphs picked up and by the way bomb sniffing dogs were completely removed weeks prior.

those kind of issues and a few hundred more just like them

I like how you believe all these "concrete facts" without seeing a single mother fucking shred of proof. You're a fucking douchebag. Perhaps even the King of douchebags. Nevermind that they make all these fucking idiotic "what if" scenarios, and just can't have any proof because it was all destroyed or just being covered up or something else just as fucking stupid.

Douchebag Moron.

[Tone]

I like how you believe all these "concrete facts" without seeing a single mother fucking shred of proof. You're a fucking douchebag. Perhaps even the King of douchebags. Nevermind that they make all these fucking idiotic "what if" scenarios, and just can't have any proof because it was all destroyed or just being covered up or something else just as fucking stupid.

Douchebag Moron.

lets look at the pentagon alone

there is not one shred of evidence that a plane ever hit the pentagon, not even wreckage. in fact the evidence shows no passenger plane could have. before the collapse (of the pentagon) there was one small hole and relative minimal damage. you do know that the large hole in the pentagon wasnt there till it collapsed much later dont you? go look at the photos for yourself, from CNN or any source. find me one video of the impact besides the four blurry frames of one distant cam in which you can see the object in the first frame that has a small body and large tail inproportionate to a 737. find me the bodies, the wreckage.

[PH]

Guys, Bush himself told Tone everything. So he knows what he's talking about.

[Fit of Rage]

Tone, it doesn't matter. It's the internet and you suck at it.

For the first time ever, we agree.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

For the record, these sites that I'm going to quote are just as credible as the OP. But since you're hell bent on screaming "CONSPIRACY THEORY!!" from the mountain...

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...tos/parts.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...hullpiece.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ses/index.html

And that search took a grand total of about 2 minutes. I'm sure I could come up with more (didn't snopes have something on it a while ago?) if I spent more time.

In short, I'm also growing a little weary with the cut/paste crap.

[Tone]

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...tos/index.html

See these photos ^

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...e/missing.html

Missing Pentagon Evidence
The Suppression of Decisive Pentagon Attack Evidence

Secrecy has surrounded the aftermath of the September 11th attack of the Pentagon. The paucity of unambiguous evidence outside of eyewitness reports that a jetliner hit the building has fueled speculation about the nature of the event. Immediately following the attack, actions by officials reveal a concerted program to mop up what evidence of the attack remained in its immediate aftermath and to conceal it and information about its very existence indefinitely. The most common interpretation of these actions is that authorities are seeking to cover up that the Pentagon attack consisted of something other than the crash of Flight 77. However, there are other plausible interpretations.
Aircraft Remains

As photographs immediately following the attack show, the punctures in the west wall of the Pentagon were far smaller than the profile of a Boeing 757-200, and the lawn was nearly immaculate, free of any large aircraft debris. The few scraps captured by photographs taken by passers-by appear to be too thin and light to be part of such an aircraft, with one conspicuous exception. Photographs show curious activities by apparent Pentagon employees at the crash site before the arrival of rescue and recovery workers.

A good deal of evidence of such activities is presented and analyzed in the documentary Painful Deceptions. A video taken from a helicopter shows a row of dozens of men in white shirts and ties walking across the lawn in front of the crash site, looking at the ground as if to scour the grass for any telltale evidence. A photo shows about a dozen similarly dressed individuals carrying away a large crate covered with a tarp. Another shows a few such men carrying away small pieces of wreckage. This was all happening around the time firefighters were arriving on the scene.
Footage of the Attack

As of September, 2003, the only video footage of the Pentagon crash that has been released to the public is a set of five frames from a Pentagon security camera north of the crash site. The first frame in this set shows an apparent aircraft, obscured by a parking lot structure, approaching the Pentagon; and the remaining four frames show an explosion.

The five frames raise a number of questions about the attack. The first frame shows a vapor trail of the kind made by missiles, not jetliners, and the mostly obscured plane is much too small to be a 757. The second frame shows an explosion whose white color indicates the detonation of an explosive rather than the combustion of jet fuel. The unreleased video frames between the first two of these frames would show the object that approached the Pentagon, and would show how rapidly the explosion expanded. The fact that the military refuses to release those frames suggests that they contradict the official story. But even more damning are the facts that no frames from the numerous other security cameras ringing the Pentagon have been released, and that the FBI confiscated video from surrounding businesses.

the first frame in those 5 frames also shows the projectile had a small body and large tail, the tail was like over 1/3rd the langth of the body, go see for yourself.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

There are lots of EYE WITNESSES.

[Tone]

There are lots of EYE WITNESSES.

....

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...ses/other.html

Other Aircraft

Eyewitness Accounts Describe Other Aircraft Around Pentagon

Several of the over 100 eyewitness accounts in Eric Bart's compilation describe aircraft other than a large jetliner flying near the Pentagon at the the time of the attack.

* C-130 turboprop
* helicopter
* supersonic aircraft

The accounts mentioning a helicopter suggest that the attack may have involved the explosion of a helicopter.

C-130 Turboprop
Allen Cleveland --
Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother inlaw also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it.
www.spooky8.com/reviews.htm
Scott P. Cook --
As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don't go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin, diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House.
www.clothmonkey.com/91101.htm
Kenneth McClellan --
A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington 'at an unusual angle,' said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman. Air-traffic control officials instructed the propeller-powered cargo plane 'to let us know where it's going,' McClellan said. The C-130 pilot 'followed the aircraft and reported it was heading into the Pentagon,' he said.
dailypress.com
John O'Keefe --
Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.
www.nylawyer.com/news/01/09/091201l.html
Phillip Thompson -- observed from 1-395 HOV lanes, directly across from the Navy Annex
Then a gray C-130 flew overhead, setting off a new round of panic. I tried to reassure people that the plane was not a threat. All around me people began to panic, fleeing for their lives.
www.militarycity.com/sept11/911_1068139.html%20
Keith Wheelhouse --
The second plane looked similar to a C- 130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon.
indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=131871&group=webcast
Ournetfamily -- watched from the Naval Annex
The only large fixed wing aircraft to appear was a gray C-130, which appeared to be a Navy electronic warfare aircraft, he seemed to survey the area and depart in on a westerly heading.
http://www.ournetfamily.com/WarOnTer...onwitness.html
Joel Sucherman --
Within a minute another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to manouver out of the air space or if that plane was coming round for another hit.
play.rbn.com/?url=usat/usat/g2demand/010911sucherman.ra&

Helicopter
Lincoln Leibner --
He said that he saw a helicopter circle the building. He said it appeared to be a U.S. military helicopter, and that it disappeared behind the building where the helicopter landing zone is - excuse me - and he then saw fireball go into the sky. [...] It's a very tense situation obviously, but initial reports from witnesses indicate that there was in fact a helicopter circling the building, contrary to what the AP reported, according to the witnesses I've spoken to anyway, and that this helicopter disappeared behind the building, and that there was then an explosion.
September 11 Live CNN Transcript, Europe
Lincoln Leibner --
the aircraft struck a helicopter on the helipad, setting fire to a fire truck.
abc.net.au/news/2001/09/item20010911230953_1.htm
Paul Begala --
He said another witness told him a helicopter exploded.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/s...0486%2C00.html
Skarlet --
As I came up along the Pentagon I saw helicopters. ... Something hit the Pentagon. It must have been a helicopter. I knew that wasn't true, but I heard myself say it.
punkprincess.com/archives/002150.html

Supersonic Aircraft
Rob Schickler --
A few seconds later, there was this sonic boom. The house shook, the windows were vibrating. There was a hole in the building, and you could smell it in the air.
www3.baylor.edu/Lariat/091201/alumni.html
Joel Sucherman --
I heard a sonic boom and then the impact, the explosion. ... There were light poles down.
play.rbn.com/?url=usat/usat/g2demand/010911sucherman.ra&
Tom Seibert --
We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/s...0486%2C00.html
Lon Rains --
At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound that began behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to my left. In fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion. The next thing I saw was the fireball. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane.
www.space.com/news/rains_september11-1.html

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Seriously, if you're just going to post the entire page, just post the link. Maybe summarize a little after the link. It's not hard.

Go back to formulating how we never went to the moon, Elvis.

[Theif of Time]

is spinsanity still around?

Spinsanity is more civil.

There are lots of EYE WITNESSES.

LOL at logic!

Go back to formulating how we never went to the moon, Elvis.

This is a very naughty link. But I can't help it.

The children are told that dinosaurs came from another planet, and man never walked on the moon.

[Sarien]

I know a guy that knew a guy that heard about this one guy that read off of this website that somebody at the scene of one of the things overheard somebody say in a metallic voice right before the incident:

Laserbeak, prepare for flight. Operation: Destruction.

This government coverup must be stopped!

[Theif of Time]

Wow, really? I know a guy that knew a girl that heard about this one guy that read off of this conspiracy magazine that somebody at the scene of one of the things overheard somebody dressed in black with a big heavy helmet say

*Heavy Breathing*

[Sarien]

Darth Vader

Christ, you know who it is!
You must be one of them!
Terrorist!

[Superted]

lets look at the pentagon alone

there is not one shred of evidence that a plane ever hit the pentagon,

Were you personally at the pentagon during 9/11? No? Then stop relying on the distorted view points of other people who wern't exactly thinking straight at the time of the attack. And stop believing everything you read on the internet, because I've got news for you, it isn't all true.