The World Cup Draw.

[Dabram]

The reason you want us to fail so badly is because youre jelouse.The english have been kicking the shit out of the scottish your whole history..oh wait you dont have a history.

What are you, FRENCH?
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I think when you look at it from both participating countries, I think the rivalry between Holland-Germany is bigger than England-Germany. I'll try to explain why, I don't have much time so I have to admit I didn't do much research on this. :P
First of all I have to admit in footbalmeetings the England-Germany has more history than the Holland-Germany. England and Germany have been battleing for the number one spot from the 30s onwards. For England their rivalry with the German Mannschaft isn't only based on football-moments, unlike their rivalry with Argentina (Hand of God moment) would be. For the Germans however I'm afraid it's not much more than a classic.
The world wars are the extra fuel to the rivalry from England with the Germans. However the WO II has left an a lot bigger impression on Holland than it has on England when it comes to having reasons to hate Germany. England was simply never occupied by the Nazis.
However it's pretty useless to bring up the WO II when it comes to looking at the rivalry from both sides, a good rivalry is felt by both parties. The WO II can't be brought up publicly if you want to be rivals with the Germans, it's because the Germans have an immense guiltfeeling over it. This was perfectly shown in the news a week ago when a Dutch guy produced thousands of orange (our national color) Nazi-helmets, which lead to fierce responses in both countries' press, it puts both parties at the same side really, which you don't want in a rivalry.
What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't really matter who feels more 'hate' towards the Germans when it comes to football, the English or the Dutch. Because we all know the English have proven throughout history to be very good at hating the continent and everything non-English, which probably is easier to do when you live on an island.. What matters is who do the Germans see as their main rivals. And then the answer I think is the Dutch; we're their direct neighbours and from the 70s on have lived through our football moments with a lot more fierce passion from both sides, while the England-Germany matchup has become more of a classic than a good rivalry from both sides..
But like I said, I didn't do much research on this one, I could be wrong, but I doubt it..

[Galleleo]

Skitzo, I think everyone that is english is embarassed that you are talking as one of them, and as bram stated, and as I have tried to explain that tho YOU (english people) feel that you have a big rivalry with Germany, BOTH the GERMANS and DUTCH feel that they have a bigger rivalry AMONG each OTHER, a rivalry doesn't come from one side.

Ratty, as I have stated before, but as always you are not responding because you know you got out bsed, your whole hair "insult" isn't even coming close to making me pissed, it just further fuels my belief that you are indeed a very very stupid, ignorant, piece of trash. So thank you for further proving this.

[SkiTzO]

For once I actually agree with you dutch people.Yes you have a bigger rivalry with Germany but a match between England-Germany is a bigger event its a classic just like Dabram said so this was a misunderstanding.You win Galleleo ok, well done poofta boy now go tell your mummy how well you done.

[Galleleo]

How big of an event it is only depends on how you look at it, a stadium can only get filled as the amount of seats it has, and a wc match is mostly sold out..

Anyway, you were the one talking about a Rivalry, so don't try and say you meant something else.

The english German rivalry is the biggest there is, after all the two World Wars were between us and them, the dutch just layed down and took it up the arse.Anyway we have a much bigger rivalry with France than anyone else but on the foootball pitch it is Germany.

[3Stripes]

Soccer is the most played sport by young people in the US, so when people like me that grew up playing soccer grow old it will become the most popular sport. 20 years from now USA will be one of the best if not the best, just going by the population of our country and huge number of young people that play it. We have a tough task ahead of us this WC, but I think we have a decent chance of coming out of our group 2nd. Going against what Facetious said, a large number of americans do care about soccer.

[Galleleo]

No matter how the big the sport gets over there, it doesn't auto mean you are the best.. I think it will take a long long long time before any country can claim they are the best over Brazil, sure you might win a WC once every now and then, but looked at the overal picture and the number of talents coming from Brazil every year.

Besides you have to keep in account, football might get big there, but most kids will just play because it's a sport. Kids in Brazil, Argentine, etc.. they play the sport because it's a way out for them, a way to help their family a way out of that place. So they are auto more driven to improve and be good then any western country, and that, is a big factor too. Tho you can get people like Ronaldo who get stuck up and stuff..

I am just trying to say, that just because the sport gets popular, you don't become the best. I mean you guys never play WC baseball's, so who's to say you are the best? There is no WC football as far as I know, but you are really the only country with ALOT of football players.. And If I am correct, I don't know alot about it, but if I am correct, Canada kicks your asses most of the times when it comes to Ice Hockey.

[SEAL]

wow, you're not talking about ajax..

[Zerzera]

sure you might win a WC once every now and then

That's what Brazil does too. :P

[McVicar]

Skitzo, I think everyone that is english is embarassed that you are talking as one of them, and as bram stated, and as I have tried to explain that tho YOU (english people) feel that you have a big rivalry with Germany, BOTH the GERMANS and DUTCH feel that they have a bigger rivalry AMONG each OTHER, a rivalry doesn't come from one side.

Agreed, don't listen to him, it's all about the passion of competition for most english, we love playing matches against equally competitive teams to be honest, and going down the pub to watch the game!

[SkiTzO]

Agreed, don't listen to him, it's all about the passion of competition for most english, we love playing matches against equally competitive teams to be honest, and going down the pub to watch the game!

McVicar do not listen to what this twat is saying to you, I agree totally in what you are saying mate. Galleleo is twisting thngs cause he is a little fag.All i was saying from the start is that when england and Germany play eachother in the WC it is a big event and this prick started to say no Germany v Holland is bigger.

[Dabram]

No one ever twisted what you said, there's no reason to start lying now. There is a difference between a rivalry and a classic. You used the world rivalry for England-Germany and then said it's a bigger rivalry than Holland-Germany because of I quote "after all the two World Wars were between us and them, the dutch just layed down and took it up the arse". Here you were being very wrong, as I tried to explain in my previous post. If you would've said it's more of a classic than Holland-Germany you might be correct, since England-Germany goes back since the beginning of football. Although only slightly because since the 70s Holland-Germany has become quite the classic..

Note: Imo the difference between a classic and a rivalry is that a classic has it's history in past football-meetings while a rivalry is based on historical events shared by two countries, that's why neighbours tend to be rivals more often, fierce football-rivalries are often a nice result from our age of nationalism. Club rivalries, like Celtic-Rangers, are often based on religion.

...Man I should write a paper on this some day, it's interesting and everyone loves football! :P

[SkiTzO]

Man you are fucking full of it, try and think about someone elses point of view and get you head out of your ass you fuckin TWAT!I said that the two World wars was the rivalry between England and Germany and i was wrong because that is what makes it a classic.I said it was a rivalry but if you fucking read properly then you can see that I wrote it was a FUCKING misunderstanding you prick.Anyway i do not give a shit about rivalrys, i was talking about which is the bigger game and used the word rivalry which i fucking corrected before so FUCKING read it you DICK HEAD!

You fucking sad pricks have totally gone off the subject and i am getting pissed off so FUCK OFF with your dutch german crap I DONT GIVE A SHIT!
EDIT:Your avatar is fucking gay.

[Galleleo]

Dude, you didn't start talking about the monstrosity of the event or the classicsness of the game until AFTER Bram said that England-Germany MIGHT be a bigger event/classic, so stop making yourself look like a complete and utter fool. You were talking about the rivalry between England and Germany and now you are crawling back..

And I doubt that what Mcvicar said had anything to do with what I said.

Ow.. and I am not 100% sure if England-Germany is a much bigger event/classic then Netherlands-Germany, because one, it being a rivalry makes it a big event, secondly after our semi-finals and finals against the germans in the 70's and 80's and stuff, the match between Netherlands-Germany has gotten huge too.. so I wouldn't state 100% sure that either one is much bigger then the other.

Edit: Why are you first telling Mcvicar he shouldn't listen to me, hence you are saying that in his post he was influenced by what I said, and thus made a different post then his beliefs because he listened to me, and then after that state that you agree with what he posted, tho it was influenced by me because he listened to me?

[unrealistic]

nvm.

Ps. Why are you bothering to listen to this Skitzo guy? he hasnt got a clue...

[Facetious]

Going against what Facetious said, a large number of americans do care about soccer.

you have to admit its a ridiculously small percentage compared to every major sport though. i have never heard anyone discuss the mls in my entire life, and i live in the metro area of by far the most dominant team over the years. the united won i dont even know how many mls cups, and all people ever talk about is the redskins, no matter how much they sucked. yeah, a few people get excited about the world cup once every four years, but nobody cares about other international matches until the cup itself starts. i have tons of friends that played a shitload of soccer that never watch it. i would say soccer has about the same following as ice skating. i guess saying that "people dont care about soccer" is slightly misleading, i only meant that people dont watch it.