Nuclear no-no

[Kontrolz]

If the nuclear bomb wasn't invented we'd all be speaking German.

[D1st0rt]

Germans surrendered before we used nukes.

The use of nuclear weapons solves all: either your problem is utterly annihilated or you aren't around anymore to care. Either way, you no longer have to deal with it.

[iLDuce]

No. No it's not ok to tell another country what technology they can and cannot develop. No, it doesn't work. It's never worked. You can't keep it from happening. Russia, China, Japan, North Korea, India, Pakistan, it's never been able to be kept from happening. Sovereign is a word for a reason.

Sorry, but your position is a complete logical fallacy. Your conclusion on the success rate of keeping a country from developing technology has absolutely nothing to do with the original position on whether or not a country has the right to tell another country what technology it can develop.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is known as the Red Herring fallacy, or the Irrelevant conclusion. In other words, your argument just doesn't work.

[Sarien]

It's not a one thing explaining the other. It's two seperate things. It isn't a fallacy because there isn't anything wrong written there. It isn't a Red Herring because the first sentence is my opinion. The second and onward is that it doesn't work. That's why I wrote that No, it's not ok to tell them they can't have it. Then I wrote a second no, as in No, it also doesn't work. It doesn't work, and it's not ever worked. When people want to know something bad enough they'll find out a way to make it happen, it's human nature.

It's not ok to try to tell a different country what technology they can and can't possess because that country does not belong to us. The country in question is a sovereign country with all the same rights and abilities that my country has, and I wouldn't want them stepping on our toes.

The only thing that can truly ever be effective is to make the cost of the use of these things so high that nobody ever does.

I apologize if my thinking seemed jumbled to you, it's been a rough day, and I can see how it could have been easily taken as such. I'm in a rather jumbled place, mentally right now.

[iLDuce]

My bad then, if I misunerstood your intent

As for the argument, I can see where you're coming from. It's interesting to note though, that arguments similar to yours were made in our own country against getting involved in WWII.

I'd also like to point out, as an aside, that just because a country declares itself a sovereign entity, does not give it the right to impede on the rights of any other nation, especially by threatening the destruction of said nation and the genocide of its people.