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    HUH! What is it good for?

    Bad joke out of the way, I'm going to start this Liquid Blue-inspired intellectual thread and hope it goes somewhere.

    Major wars (world wars) should always be a concern of everyone. A lot of people take for granted that we haven't had another one for 60 years or so now. Do you think it is by accident that this hasn't happened?

    There are numerous theories out there trying to feel out why it hasn't. A few include: globalization theory, that war would be economically unwise in the 21st century because almost all economies are inexorably tied in the world market; democratic peace theory, that authoritarianism and communism have been stamped out and the only successful type of governments anymore are liberal democracies and, as seen in the past, democracies tend not to fight wars with one another; realist power theories, where there are multiple variations but the jist is that power relations post-WWII have been unfavourable to major war-outbreaks due to power relations where only one country is a hegemonic power in her own region (ie US for the West and USSR for the East); and arms theories, somewhat a subsidiary of the last one, that nuclear weapons make major war unlikely because of the immediate destructive toll it would mean for both sides.

    Personally, I think it's some combination of power relations, fostered largely by nuclear weapons, and the fact major democracies are less likely to catalyze (a word?) (like a deranged dictator or an assassination attempt) because of the turnover rate and of how long/how many people it takes to make a major decision like war.

  • #2
    Interesting take on the issue, yet you could sub-divide this into Western Civilized countries and those from Africa.

    Africa seems to be in a never ending war amongst so many of the countries within this continent.
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    • #3
      I'm talking about major wars. Africa is only in civil war that sometimes crosses political borders (as those political borders are largely arbitrary).

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      • #4
        Well to scale it as a World War, then most likely the next one will end the world.

        How many thousands upon thousands must die in a civil war though? A war is a war regardless of it being a Civil or World War. If it was escalated to a World War, I would guess not many of us would be alive to chat about it.

        Whats happening in Iraq is not what one would call a war...it's more of an occupation of the territory, until a Govt. that is acceptable can run the country....doubtful at that...Iraq is just going to be one big ass civil war just like in the African countries.

        All boils down to relegion in most cases too.
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        • #5
          Sadly, it seems there will always be war or some other form of struggle. IT is a rare case where two sides can agree on a subject and in some cases that leads to armed struggle.

          On the world war topic, I don't think the next (if there is one) one will end the world. It will likely be a struggle between 2 countries on different continents (ex. China and US). The concept of a world war really began with the 30 years' war during the 17th Century as the European powers duked it out on the continent and in their colonies. How world wars work have changed much since then as war is an every changing thing. World wars aren't a regular thing that happens every X amount of years such as an eclipse. There generally is some form of struggle occuring on a regular basis, be it on a global, continental or even local scale.

          So be happy there hasn't been anything similar to WWII or WWI (I think that's what you were asking) and that war has seemingly been relegated to a much smaller scale in terms of the amount of nations/people involved.
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          • #6
            With the Flu's going around and the pandemic fears. knowing that Governments do biological testing, it would nto suprise me to see the next World War be a war to destroy the planet with bombs. I would think that they would end up using biolgical warfare.

            Unless it is a rogue nation that's leader may be fanatical or otherwise mentally unstable. They may have the feeling that they have nothing left to lose?

            Many scenarios...yet I do not think the US and China would ever fight one on one...not worth it financially....would be better to have some crap country as the chess board for these two nations to fight on...like Korea and Vietnam.

            Unfortunately History repeats itself over and over again, regardless of the lessons learned and educations given. People forget and become ignorant to the past.
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            • #7
              The wars of this century will be economic. My guess is we'll get bored of that sometime around 2050-60 but by then I want to be as far away from this planet as I can... assuming global warming, Iran, Iraq 2.0, Katrina revisted, Tsunamis, George Bush/Republicans, Democrats, Steven Harper, the French and the the FLU doesn't completely destroy our civilization before then.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 404 Not Found
                With the Flu's going around and the pandemic fears. knowing that Governments do biological testing, it would nto suprise me to see the next World War be a war to destroy the planet with bombs. I would think that they would end up using biolgical warfare.

                Unless it is a rogue nation that's leader may be fanatical or otherwise mentally unstable. They may have the feeling that they have nothing left to lose?

                Many scenarios...yet I do not think the US and China would ever fight one on one...not worth it financially....would be better to have some crap country as the chess board for these two nations to fight on...like Korea and Vietnam.

                Unfortunately History repeats itself over and over again, regardless of the lessons learned and educations given. People forget and become ignorant to the past.
                It's not nice calling any countries crap, stop it.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by genocidal
                  HUH! What is it good for?
                  On a completely unrelated note, I cannot for the life of me remember who the artist for that song is..

                  Anyone wanna tell me?
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                  pretty sure the flu is just bacteria found everywhere, just during the winter our immune systems are at its lowest, thus the bacteria aren't exactly killed off.
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                  • #10
                    economic incentives keep wars from happening, though china's fucking the u.s. up and all our welfare state bitchass selves can do it, well, bitch
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                    • #11
                      I don't think there will be a world war, because a world war would mean the West, U.S., Canada, Europe, etc. Against whoever's brilliant idea it was to start one. I mean, I think it's highly impossible that a world war would be started by any of the NATO joined countries (even China seeing as how economicly they are gonna kick all off our asses). So that would leave Africa, South-America or a different small Asian Country to start a world war and that's not likely to happen.

                      Smaller wars, like in Africa (wich mainly stay inside borders, and sometimes cross borders in africa because those borders are crap) and South-America (hasn't been one lately as far as I know, but most countries still aren't stable) will prob continue on happening until every country in the world has it economicly well.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RATTY...
                        It's not nice calling any countries crap, stop it.
                        I correct myself on that notation and place these countries in the category of crap, as it was directed as a notation of when the problems between the US and China had their disputes.

                        Have had many friends visit Vietnam and have seen the pics....looks amazing & wouldn't mind visiting! I am not familiar with Korea or know anyone who is Korean....but perhaps my wording of them as crap was not proper and out of context as it should have been noted as the "political CRAP in these countries" that went down decades ago.
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                        • #13
                          Iraq Civil War next at 5!
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