Bob Jones University!

[Blueblaze]

Fuck Bob Jones University! They basically cost McCain the Primary in 2000, and thus fucking up the next 8 years.

Plus, they don't allow inter-racial dating on campus.

How did they cost McCain the primary in 2000? George Bush spoke at BJU that year as well. As well, McCain has reportedly commented that he might be willing to speak at Bob Jones University if he runs for election. Please explain :P.

Plus, they do allow inter-racial dating on campus.

(This was originally in the Music forum, so reposted it to General Discussion)

[genocidal]

Nobody cares.

[DoTheFandango]

Why is this a new topic?

Either way, one of the professors there spread a rumor that John McCain had an illegitimate child of unknown racial origin. This blew up into a nasty media affair and then it left a bitter taste in most Republicans mouths. Of course, it wasn't true, but it made the dude look pretty bad at the time. Bob Jones Uni. is just another Religion based University in Virginia, but it will forever be, in my mind, a piece of shit.

Further, to my knowledge, I was told that they had banned interracial dating.

I looked up on Wikipedia and I was partially right.

In a 2000 interview, the then-president, Bob Jones III, said that interracial dating had been prohibited since 1950s and that the policy had originated in a complaint by parents of a male Asian student who believed that their son had "nearly married" a white girl.

In May 1975, as it prepared to allow unmarried blacks to enroll, BJU adopted more detailed rules prohibiting interracial dating and marriage—threatening expulsion for any student who dated or married interracially, who advocated interracial marriage, who was "affiliated with any group or organization which holds as one of its goals or advocates interracial marriage," or "who espouse, promote, or encourage others to violate the University's dating rules and regulations."
...
In 2000, following a media uproar prompted by the visit of presidential candidate George W. Bush to the University, Bob Jones III abruptly dropped the interracial dating rule, announcing the change on CNN's "Larry King Live."[40] Five years later when asked by Newsweek for his view of the rule change, the current president, Stephen Jones, replied, "I've never been more proud of my dad...the night he lifted that policy."

6.5 years ago they didn't allow it, doesn't sound like a place I would want to attend.

[DoTheFandango]

Want another reason to hate this place? Here:

Strict rules govern student life at BJU. Some of these are based directly on the University's interpretation of the Bible. For instance, the 2005-06 Day Student Handbook states, "Loyalty to Christ results in separated living. Dishonesty, lewdness, sensual behavior, adultery, homosexuality, sexual perversion of any kind, pornography, illegal use of drugs, and drunkenness--all are clearly condemned by God's word and prohibited here." (13) Grounds for immediate dismissal include stealing, immorality (including sexual relations between unmarried students), possession of hard-core pornography, use of alcohol or drugs, and participating in a public demonstration for a cause the University opposes.

Similar moral failures are grounds for terminating the employment of faculty and staff. In 1998, a homosexual alumnus was threatened with arrest if he visited the campus

If this topic were written by me, it would read "Fuck Bob Jones"

[Blueblaze]

Why is this a new topic?

Either way, one of the professors there spread a rumor that John McCain had an illegitimate child of unknown racial origin. This blew up into a nasty media affair and then it left a bitter taste in most Republicans mouths. Of course, it wasn't true, but it made the dude look pretty bad at the time. Bob Jones Uni. is just another Religion based University in Virginia, but it will forever be, in my mind, a piece of shit.

Further, to my knowledge, I was told that they had banned interracial dating.

I looked up on Wikipedia and I was partially right.


6.5 years ago they didn't allow it, doesn't sound like a place I would want to attend.

Let's be accurate and let's be honest

You can't claim a rumor with another rumor. Your basically creating a rumor about the university, but claiming it created a rumor. You have no citation for that, therefore you have no validity to your statement, as well as anything you post as it is full of inacurate claims.

Secondly, the university is in South Carolina, which is quite awhile away from Virginia.

Thirdly, into the 70s, almost every white university in the nation held racists rules, but they revoked them because of the need to stay nationally accreditted and government funded. BJU is not government funded and is only recently accreditted, there wasn't a big deal about changing the rules, but when it was seriously addressed, the rule was swiftly removed. The existence of the rule wasn't to promote racism, but it was to show the US Government that BJU doesn't like their socialism :P

[phata$$]

This is neither a conspiracy theory, campfire story, homebrew recipe nor the one date you went on back in '79 that ends in disaster.

[Blueblaze]

This is neither a conspiracy theory, campfire story, homebrew recipe nor the one date you went on back in '79 that ends in disaster.

Is any topic on this subforum?

[Kolar]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../14/ip.00.html

Tear it apart for yourself. The "university" also fought for the right to allow these interracial rules up to the year 2000. Even outside of policy since the staff there "teach" for 30-50 years without leaving, the odds are that the environment is still quite conservative on subjects of race, creed and religion. Taking a look at the rules for students I wouldn't doubt that the environment still allows for such injustices to occur.

-Students may not listen to country, jazz, New Age, rock, rap, or contemporary Christian music.
-Students are forbidden to attend movie theaters or, when visiting local homes, to watch any films with a rating higher than a G rating.
-Each student is provided with a filtered e-mail account. Using unfiltered Internet access via computer, mobile phone, or satellite phone is prohibited for residence hall students. The university provides content-filtered Internet access for student use that blocks pornography, "lurid violence," racial hate, and other "objectionable content."

Why would anyone want to goto this "school" again? It's like the adult Jesus Camp.

[Chao.]

What exactly defines "Hard core pornography"?

I find it odd that it's worded like that.

[Blueblaze]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../14/ip.00.html

Tear it apart for yourself. The "university" also fought for the right to allow these interracial rules up to the year 2000.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...03/lkl.00.html

Thats when Bob Jones III was on Larry King Live in 2000. The interracial rule was the focal point of the interview, so there is more than I could say there, but you can see the real motive behind the rule wasn't to spread racism, as they were not racism.

For John McCain, Richard "Hand says he'll probably vote for Bush but insists his letter was not coordinated with the campaign or with the university."

Just because one person said something doesn't mean the whole university sponsored or approved of it. People hate conservative fundamental Christianity, which is why people hate Bob Jones, if some other professor at a different university wrote an email/letter about it, no one would really care.

McCain has acknowledged engaging in extramarital affairs upon returning from Vietnam. While he was in Vietnam, his wife Carol had been severely injured in a car accident. Upon returning home in 1973, McCain found his wife to be very different from when he had married her. Due to the accident, she had become 4 inches shorter, gained weight, and had to use crutches to walk. He soon began engaging in extramarital affairs and in 1979, he met Cindy Hensley. A year later, McCain sought a divorce from Carol and a month after that, he married Cindy. McCain remains on good terms with Carol, who said in 2000, "I'm crazy about John McCain and I love him to pieces."[66], though salon.com speculates this may be be because Carol wants to protect her children[10]

Divorcing doesn't help you among people who truly believe the Bible, as the Bible is much against divorce, which is why John McCain's character was under attack.

Finally, John McCain lost South Carolina because that state has the largest group Fundamental Independent Baptists in the country, which all love and support Bob Jones University. McCain never proved to be a very religious man, unlike Bush, and McCain even attacked Bush for going to BJU, which means you'll lose everyone of those Fundamental Independent Baptist voters. South Carolina has many BJU alumni/supporters, and they have created almost 100 churches ranging anywhere from 50 to over 1000 people, creating a large amount of Republican conservative voters. Compare North Carolina to South Carolina

North Carolina
Christian – 88%
Protestant – 77%
Baptist – 40%
Methodist – 10%
Presbyterian – 3%
Episcopalian – 3%
Other Protestant or general Protestant – 20-24%
Roman Catholic – 10%
Other Christian – 1% (such as Eastern Orthodox or Mormon)
Non-Religious – 11% (atheists, agnostics, and others)
Other Religions – 1% (Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism)

South Carolina
Christian – 92%
Protestant – 84%
Baptist – 45%
Methodist – 15%
Presbyterian – 5%
Other Protestant – 19%
Roman Catholic – 7%
Other Christian – 1%
Other Religions – 1%
Non-Religious – 7%

Just about every Fundamental Baptist is going to be a Republican, and every Fundamental Baptist is going to vote, and we'll all probably vote for that same one candidate, so that brings a large push to whoever we support.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

It's good to know that it's a collective mind. God forbid you might actually break from the pack every now and then.

[HeavenSent]

God is not against divorce.

Deut:24:1: When a man has taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

God divorced Israel:

Jer:3:8: And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

BJU & Liberty U & many schools like them founded by some religious zealot, do nothing but teach hypocrisy & one-up-manship on the rest of the world. They're no better than the Liberals, even though they're on opposite ends of the spectrum. They're both whiny, spoiled pussy kids. Only ones whining because he has to go out and play, and the other's whining because he doesn't want to go out and play.

[genocidal]

You can't claim a rumor with another rumor. Your basically creating a rumor about the university, but claiming it created a rumor. You have no citation for that, therefore you have no validity to your statement, as well as anything you post as it is full of inacurate claims.

This is a very interesting argument. I think you're trying to say that it is a rumour that someone started a rumour about McCain. So in your mind, if you deny one rumour you must deny the other. That's some good, Christian logic. Break the mold and do some research, please.

Thirdly, into the 70s, almost every white university in the nation held racists rules, but they revoked them because of the need to stay nationally accreditted and government funded. BJU is not government funded and is only recently accreditted, there wasn't a big deal about changing the rules, but when it was seriously addressed, the rule was swiftly removed. The existence of the rule wasn't to promote racism, but it was to show the US Government that BJU doesn't like their socialism :P

No, most universities had racist policies removed in the 50s and early 60s. Southern institutions, like University of South Carolina, kept their policies until they were forced by court order to change them - that is not the majority.

Your claim that BJU dealt with its racist policy "swiftly" is laughable at best. The university took the case to the US Supreme Court because they wanted so badly to maintain their racist policy - and this is all in the 1980s, mind you. I don't think waiting almost 50 years after institutionalized racism was prohibited to change your own policies counts as "swift".

[Blueblaze]

This is a very interesting argument. I think you're trying to say that it is a rumour that someone started a rumour about McCain. So in your mind, if you deny one rumour you must deny the other. That's some good, Christian logic. Break the mold and do some research, please.

No, most universities had racist policies removed in the 50s and early 60s. Southern institutions, like University of South Carolina, kept their policies until they were forced by court order to change them - that is not the majority.

Your claim that BJU dealt with its racist policy "swiftly" is laughable at best. The university took the case to the US Supreme Court because they wanted so badly to maintain their racist policy - and this is all in the 1980s, mind you. I don't think waiting almost 50 years after institutionalized racism was prohibited to change your own policies counts as "swift".

In South Carolina, the first university to abandon its racial policies were in 1962. I belive it was Clemson, they might be the second university. The second one abandoned in 1965. Bob Jones was in the middle of the pack when it came to allowing African Americans to enter their college. They let them enter in the early 1970s. For their area and state, they were quite in the middle of the pack, not behind the times. As well, you didn't read my follow up post about John McCain obviously, so I have no need to address that. And you didn't read the transcript information either, so that answers your other questions concerning the racism.

HeavenSent, concerning divorce, you haven't touched the New Testament. For that, I'll just let the Word do the work.

MATTHEW 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

MARK 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

MATTHEW 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
(Even if your spouse cheats on you, its not grounds for divorce)

ROMANS 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(You are allowed to remarry once your spouse dies)

1CORINTHIANS 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

1CORINTHIANS 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Get the point?

[genocidal]

Well considering their school would have been shut down had they not integrated in the 1970s (which is not "middle of the pack") that isn't really the issue. The racist policy I was referring to, clearly, is the interracial dating prohibition. Interesting how you quote my post, and possibly even read it, yet don't respond to a word I say.