At what point would you super-relgious types admit that you're wrong?

[Liquid Blue]

Riiiiiiight. I'm sure things can't get much worse than they are here on Earth.

you don't get pussy or weed in hell.

[Superted]

LB, whenever there's a death in the church it is often welcomed with a celebration. I can see their logic but it always makes me second question my faith or rather, the Christian faith as a whole.

To the few who speak of child religion, I was forced to go to a Church of England primary school where Jesus is taught as a fact and I blindly accepted it. However, when I left that school I quickly became an atheist.

Blue, most of my beliefs have arisen through logical thought because I'm a very critical thinker, I cannot 100% blindly believe like some. The soul is not a physical substance, therefore it cannot partake in physical things i.e. eating, seeing, hearing, touching, etc. Because of this, heaven is unimaginable. As for the book of Revelation, John says in the begining that it was a dream. Jesus does say to trust the Bible as the word of God, however, heaven is unimaginable and indescribable, the book of revalation is simply a book of metaphors, trying desperatly to attempt to explain the unexplainable to our feeble human minds.

Noah, I too believe in the big bang theory and evolution but through God. After all, the big bang isn't really a beginning as such as there has to be a cause for that.

[Exalt]

me being a Christian gives me a certain view of what heaven and hell are like, but I have a different view than most people, and a much more logical one at that.

The difference between heaven and hell isnt pearly gates of gold or a river of fire. The whole river of fire thing is used for satan and the fallen angels to sit in... which if you really wanna know what my thought about it is, they just go to the core of the earth, the molten part ya know? spiritually speaking thats where they are, the big black hole into the center of the earth.

But as for us, hell is when you don't get saved or believe in God. You spend your eternity as you did in life, cut off from God. Its like a big rift where you can see everyone else who believed, and you realize there is a God, but you are now cut off from it for eternity. That is hell, knowing you were wrong.

heaven is just walking with God as you know him with the joy of knowing you were right. theres other stuff too but this is the basic theory. People in hell arnt burning in flames all the time, they are just spending their time away from God, which sucks if you realize that you were wrong and can't change it.

Edit: as for the big bang theory, it is true. Evolution isnt, but the big bang theory is entirely true. But the point is something was created out of nothing, a spark of gasses which mathamatically seems so unnatural and nearly impossible somehow expanded and created the entire galaxy. Scientists realize how unimaginably small the probability of what happened was, and all it does it point to a fact that something was willing it to happen, ie God.

[thesearcher]

what made the shit that made the big bang?

[Galleleo]

Facetious, Well sorry if I derail your thread, but there is no ifs in reality. I don't live in the fantasy, nor should you. Reality is, there is a Heaven and a Hell, and all those who don't make a sincere change to Christ in Salvation will go to Hell.

This is such bs.. you might believe it, but that doesn't make it reality. The church used to believe the earth was flat.. it never was reality. I am perfectly fine with you believing in that. But don't go around saying it is a reality, it's more like this is your fantasy and not our reality.

I know it is reality to you, but to most of us you are the one living in a fantasy and not reality. So to tell us you are not living in a fantasy is just complete bs.

[thesearcher]

you said reality to much.

[Dack Falu]

Edit: as for the big bang theory, it is true. Evolution isnt, but the big bang theory is entirely true. But the point is something was created out of nothing, a spark of gasses which mathamatically seems so unnatural and nearly impossible somehow expanded and created the entire galaxy. Scientists realize how unimaginably small the probability of what happened was, and all it does it point to a fact that something was willing it to happen, ie God.

I lol'd.

And, Improbability hardly is proof or a "fact" that god exists. Your religion has as much credibility as the flying spaghetti monster. Even less, actually:



You can clearly see the relation to global temperature and the number of pirates, proof that the flying spaghetti monster exists.

[Liquid Blue]

I wish others were like you, I kinda hate to think how many act "christian" in an effort to be rewarded with a spot in heaven

LB, whenever there's a death in the church it is often welcomed with a celebration. I can see their logic but it always makes me second question my faith or rather, the Christian faith as a whole.

Yes far too often it seems like people only do good things in order to get chummy with god; in order to get into heaven. Is it really a good deed if a person did it to further their own ends? How selfless is an act when it's a precedent to a selfish desire to get into heaven anyway?

[Epinephrine]

Yes far too often it seems like people only do good things in order to get chummy with god; in order to get into heaven. Is it really a good deed if a person did it to further their own ends? How selfless is an act when it's a precedent to a selfish desire to get into heaven anyway?

Isn't that 1/2 of the point of religion anyway?

1/2 of it is because no one knows what happens when you die, so we need something to cling onto

1/2 of it is to create a moral code which binds people who might not otherwise live by a certain code. This is to ensure society can function smoothly.

[Squeezer]

you don't get pussy or weed in hell.

Both of which are sins against our lord who's here to protect us.....Well, the rich, white, Christian ones anyways.

[Saturn V]

Prove to me the Big Bang exists.

As well, your avatar is probably one of the biggest proofs for Creation, since Noah's Ark really existed.

Funny how you kids are always turning the burden of proof back on us and AWAY from you.

He shouldn't have to prove the Big Bang to you. Why don't you look into Hubble's law, cosmic microwave background radiation, and anisotropies and make your own fucking decision (read: think for yourself) instead of regurgitating shit you were introduced to when you were younger.

Doesn't continually posting this shit count as spam? Can we get a ban?

[Liquid Blue]

Isn't that 1/2 of the point of religion anyway?

1/2 of it is because no one knows what happens when you die, so we need something to cling onto

1/2 of it is to create a moral code which binds people who might not otherwise live by a certain code. This is to ensure society can function smoothly.

It's not the point of religion to me, although I'm sure that's the case with other people. I honestly think you should help someone or do a good deed simply because it's the right thing to do, not because doing so will get you into heaven.

[Rhino_haha]

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen Roberts

quoting myself only because I believe it is vey relevant to the conversation at hand.

[Pandagirl!]

It would take a lot for me to completely renounce my religion, although I am a lot less religious now than I used to be.

I might not be the perfect model Christian, but I do try to uphold the main teachings of the Bible. I try to be a good person and love everybody. I'm still going to wait for marriage. Sure, I might be going out and getting drunk every now and then, but I'm not letting that get in way of the big picture the Bible is teaching.

I've changed a lot since I was the "Blueblaze" of the forums a few years ago

[Bioture]

Suppose you get hit by a bus tomorrow, and find yourself in some afterlife that is completely not what you expected?

let me know when you get hit by a bus.

This thread is a failure.

I agree.