At what point would you super-relgious types admit that you're wrong?

[Exalt]

me being a Christian gives me a certain view of what heaven and hell are like, but I have a different view than most people, and a much more logical one at that.

The difference between heaven and hell isnt pearly gates of gold or a river of fire. The whole river of fire thing is used for satan and the fallen angels to sit in... which if you really wanna know what my thought about it is, they just go to the core of the earth, the molten part ya know? spiritually speaking thats where they are, the big black hole into the center of the earth.

But as for us, hell is when you don't get saved or believe in God. You spend your eternity as you did in life, cut off from God. Its like a big rift where you can see everyone else who believed, and you realize there is a God, but you are now cut off from it for eternity. That is hell, knowing you were wrong.

heaven is just walking with God as you know him with the joy of knowing you were right. theres other stuff too but this is the basic theory. People in hell arnt burning in flames all the time, they are just spending their time away from God, which sucks if you realize that you were wrong and can't change it.

Edit: as for the big bang theory, it is true. Evolution isnt, but the big bang theory is entirely true. But the point is something was created out of nothing, a spark of gasses which mathamatically seems so unnatural and nearly impossible somehow expanded and created the entire galaxy. Scientists realize how unimaginably small the probability of what happened was, and all it does it point to a fact that something was willing it to happen, ie God.

[Superted]

LB, whenever there's a death in the church it is often welcomed with a celebration. I can see their logic but it always makes me second question my faith or rather, the Christian faith as a whole.

To the few who speak of child religion, I was forced to go to a Church of England primary school where Jesus is taught as a fact and I blindly accepted it. However, when I left that school I quickly became an atheist.

Blue, most of my beliefs have arisen through logical thought because I'm a very critical thinker, I cannot 100% blindly believe like some. The soul is not a physical substance, therefore it cannot partake in physical things i.e. eating, seeing, hearing, touching, etc. Because of this, heaven is unimaginable. As for the book of Revelation, John says in the begining that it was a dream. Jesus does say to trust the Bible as the word of God, however, heaven is unimaginable and indescribable, the book of revalation is simply a book of metaphors, trying desperatly to attempt to explain the unexplainable to our feeble human minds.

Noah, I too believe in the big bang theory and evolution but through God. After all, the big bang isn't really a beginning as such as there has to be a cause for that.

[Liquid Blue]

Riiiiiiight. I'm sure things can't get much worse than they are here on Earth.

you don't get pussy or weed in hell.

[Noah]

You've chosen to turn a deaf ear to any evidence of the Big Bang, so I'm not even going to try to prove it. In the last decade, there has been so many discoveries that strengthens the theory of the Big Bang, that you have to knowingly ignore it to miss it.

Prove to me the Ark existed instead, and not by a book that doesn't have any other source than what is hear-say gods words. If you have a piece of debris, ANYTHING, I'm willing to look it all up.

And yeah, my avatar, with the tiny avatar with the chirstmas hats, is the proof that supports all religion. :detective

Edit: I don't like to pick apart others faith, but as soon as I see preaching, or any other bullshit, I'll "preach" back. If you want to believe in God, a holy hamster, Allah, Buddah, whatever, it's fine. Just don't come preaching off it.

[PjOtTeR]

Prove to me the Big Bang exists.

As well, your avatar is probably one of the biggest proofs for Creation, since Noah's Ark really existed.

Prove to me god exists.

That's the same fucking horrible question. Just cause some person said he was son of "god" and we have books written by his followers, doesn't mean he was the son of god... JEZUS WAS A HUMAN... HUMANS FART... JEZUS HAS FARTED... SON OF GOD DOESN't FART... so jezus wasn't son of god.

If I would walk around saying im the son of god... (my dad would be really proud I think so highly of him, but that's not the point) That he set me to this earth to show people his presence... A person writes about it... I bless it so it's a sacred writing.... DOES THAT MAKE IT TRUE? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

Your answer to this will probably be: "No that doesn't make it true, because you're not the son of god"
Well how do you know... you don't, i might just be son of god... PjOtTeR, gods child...

It's just stupid... you have never seen god, Maybe "felt" him... although that could have just been a weird breeze... Smelled him? ofcourse that can be possible... So what makes you more right then others, it makes your view perfect and undeniably true? Don't be so blunt and ignorant... Atleast there is some scientific proof the big bang ever was there... or atleast proof that makes this assumption likely... Unlike for your beliefs..

Btw, im a christian for the sole fact that my parents were christians, because their parents were christian and their parents wanted my parents to raise their children as christians...

If god really existed the things he supposedly created should be better then the things created by mankind(who do not believe in him)... I much rather have a nintendo wii for example then a dog... or a horse... fuck those animals.

[Blueblaze]

Actually, the Big Bang made it all. And from there evolution ran it all. We're all sons of evolution, and our ancestors died for us.

Also, if I were to pick a religon I'd pick this

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Prove to me the Big Bang exists.

As well, your avatar is probably one of the biggest proofs for Creation, since Noah's Ark really existed.

[Noah]

Actually, the Big Bang made it all. And from there evolution ran it all. We're all sons of evolution, and our ancestors died for us.

Also, if I were to pick a religon I'd pick this

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Blueblaze]

Satan will chop off your snipper.

Unless, you want to turn into a suckup who sings praises for a fictional king.

Loss/loss situation

This sounds like an awesome religion!! Where do I sign up?

When God made it all, runs it all, and knows it all, who sent His Son to die for us, who He created, its only natural to praise the King in appriciation. There is no bitterness in Heaven.

[Noah]

Satan will chop off your snipper.

Unless, you want to turn into a suckup who sings praises for a fictional king.

Loss/loss situation

This sounds like an awesome religion!! Where do I sign up?

[Blueblaze]

Riiiiiiight. I'm sure things can't get much worse than they are here on Earth.

Then you don't know evil.

[phata$$]

[Squeezer]

Riiiiiiight. I'm sure things can't get much worse than they are here on Earth.

[Blueblaze]

I think you're indirectly asking what hell would be like (not to put words in your mouth or anything). For me, things would be the same as on earth. All the problems would remain, and nothing would ever be resolved. Their would still be inequity and discrimination, as well as corruption.

In summary, Hell would be no change.

Then whats the point of it being hell? Hell is the absolute depressive state of existence. Which, through the Bible's revelations, shows that Hell will be a torturious and sorrowful place. For one, you will be apart from God for the first time ever, and some people may feel its no big deal, but they don't realize how much God effects their lives, even while they still reject and hate Him. If you take away His grace to the unsaved, disasterious consequences remain. As well, it seems that people who go to Hell, will receive an eternal body, one which cannot die, yet is subject to the pain and torture eternally. You won't be able to 'get used to' the pain as well, but rather it will be a continuous suffering for eternity. Know this is what I believe about Hell, you see why it is important to be so vigor about the eternal state of people, everywhere, not just on the forums, not just my neighbors, and not just my schoolmates.

[Squeezer]

I think you're indirectly asking what hell would be like (not to put words in your mouth or anything). For me, things would be the same as on earth. All the problems would remain, and nothing would ever be resolved. Their would still be inequity and discrimination, as well as corruption.

In summary, Hell would be no change.

[Blueblaze]

I can't tell if this post is siding with me or Blueblaze. Either way, Vyk is right. This thread is a failure.

Probably you, Aquatiq always has interesting construction in her posts. Basically, I'm the one with the 'secret agenda' of derailing your thread, but its not like I'm secret about it!

My point is, that it is pointless to live in fantasy, therefore there is no point of this thread if we're talking about ifs.

As well, me and Heavensent like to share our worldviews, and we do it over here. You do have to give balance to any religious discussion by having someone who takes the Bible literally. I don't know how it is possible to believe in God (The Triune [Father, Son, Holy Ghost], not Allah, Budah, or any other god), and -not- take the Bible literally?