At what point would you super-relgious types admit that you're wrong?

[Reaver]

Practically any thread about religion gets de-railed by people quoting the bible to prove that non-believers are wrong. Perhaps I didn't phrase it in the nicest way, but I wasn't directing that at everyone, merely the one or two people around here who quote endless passages from the bible any time the word God shows up in a thread. My point wasn't that "I don't give a crap" in general, if your religion gives you happiness, that's great. What I meant was that I was suggesting a hypothetical, and that saying "well, your hypothetical is impossible because of these bible verses" is completely irrelevant to my thread.

It would have been pretty easy for this thread to turn into the typical Blueblaze vs. the world flame fest had I not said that, and I think he actually held back a little from what he would have normally said. I wouldn't have learned that HeavenSent, who I viewed as extremely Christian, believes to some degree in Mayan prophecy as well. That's interesting to me.

As far as me being naive about religion, you've got me there. I grew up with two agnostic parents, I've been to church probably less than five times in my entire life (and going to church, for me, is definitely not a great way to learn about religion, it pretty much just creeps me out). Practically all my friends are agnostic, atheist, or those people who kind of pretend to be religious just out of habit. Living in a country where Christianity has such an influence on culture and laws, it's something that I really wish I understood better. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, though, I just forget about the concept of faith a lot of the time because it's so foreign to me.

Keep in mind though, if this thread insulted you because I believe you are probably wrong about the afterlife, it's just as insulting to me when people say I'm wrong about the afterlife. Of course, since my beliefs are so vague, and there are so many of you that believe the exact same thing, it's easy to feel like I'm attacking your beliefs more than anyone who quotes the bible is attacking mine, but it's not true. If you're pissed at me for starting a thread based on my agnosticism, you should also be pissed at the people who start threads about their Christianity.

edit: By the way, I'm here as a moderator to move posts, close threads, and hopefully try to explain to people why certain decisions are being made about the forums. Let me know if you think I'm doing a bad job at that, but if being a moderator means I have to change the way I act on the forums, forget it.

Generally when someone starts a thread in the "pub chat" then it's directed at everyone. If you titled the thread "when will blueblaze and heavensent..." then that would be different, but you generalized and now you've insulted other people in the process. Your so called hypothetical question was your attempt at insulting the people that annoy you on this forum. The people that constantly tout about their religious beliefs. You know what's just as bad as people that tout their religious beliefs? People that tout their anti-religious or agnostic beliefs.
I can completely understand if you don't know much about religion and don't care to. You might find this surprising, but I can actually accept that people don't wish to believe. I don't try and "convert" them, I respect someone's decision to do so, however if they came to me with interest I wouldn't turn them away. I believe Christianity is losing the "grip" it had on this country anyways so you won't have to worry about that.
This thread didn't insult me because you believe I'm wrong about the afterlife. This thread insulted me because you posted a "hypothetical" question that was nothing more than you lashing out at Blueblaze and others by making a mockery of someone's beliefs. Where you went wrong was that you thought it would be ok to make fun of someone's beliefs because it was only offending people you dislike. You might feel just as strongly about being agnostic as I do about being religious, but you'll never find me making a mockery of something others believes in because it has a self-righteous touter here or there.

No you shouldn't have to change what you believe, but you shouldn't say whatever you like either. I'm not going to get into the roles of a moderator, but I can tell you that I don't ever remember Zeus!!! or really any moderator for that matter starting threads like this. Completely regardless of whether you're a moderator or not, I'm still a bit surprised, this is something more expectable from wark.

[DoTheFandango]

I have studied the bible like few people have.
I base my knowledge on the many patterns I've discovered reading the bible and extra-biblical text.

I've studied the bible in a complete objective sense for a class, and I can tell you probably more about the stories in it than most, not all, but most, Christians. Assuming a holier-than-thou attitude, pun intended, is bad in any case, especially when it comes to the bible.

[HeavenSent]

edit: By the way, I'm here as a moderator to move posts, close threads, and hopefully try to explain to people why certain decisions are being made about the forums. Let me know if you think I'm doing a bad job at that, but if being a moderator means I have to change the way I act on the forums, forget it.

:bigups:

[Facetious]

Furthermore, the fact that you titled it "At what point would you super-relgious types admit that you're wrong?" and the fact that you don't give a crap whether we think it's not possible or not only makes it more obvious that you're blatant ignorance and complete disregard for other people's beliefs points all too clearly at how naive you are.
I don't dislike you any more or less but It would be nice if I could match you in ignorance on the same level which you have done to myself and others. To be honest, I wouldn't have said this much to a thread started by most others, but as an active, generally intelligent forum user, and now a moderator, the fact that you'd have the audacity to make a thread that insults some of the people you've been put in place to moderate makes the sting that much more.

Practically any thread about religion gets de-railed by people quoting the bible to prove that non-believers are wrong. Perhaps I didn't phrase it in the nicest way, but I wasn't directing that at everyone, merely the one or two people around here who quote endless passages from the bible any time the word God shows up in a thread. My point wasn't that "I don't give a crap" in general, if your religion gives you happiness, that's great. What I meant was that I was suggesting a hypothetical, and that saying "well, your hypothetical is impossible because of these bible verses" is completely irrelevant to my thread.

It would have been pretty easy for this thread to turn into the typical Blueblaze vs. the world flame fest had I not said that, and I think he actually held back a little from what he would have normally said. I wouldn't have learned that HeavenSent, who I viewed as extremely Christian, believes to some degree in Mayan prophecy as well. That's interesting to me.

As far as me being naive about religion, you've got me there. I grew up with two agnostic parents, I've been to church probably less than five times in my entire life (and going to church, for me, is definitely not a great way to learn about religion, it pretty much just creeps me out). Practically all my friends are agnostic, atheist, or those people who kind of pretend to be religious just out of habit. Living in a country where Christianity has such an influence on culture and laws, it's something that I really wish I understood better. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, though, I just forget about the concept of faith a lot of the time because it's so foreign to me.

Keep in mind though, if this thread insulted you because I believe you are probably wrong about the afterlife, it's just as insulting to me when people say I'm wrong about the afterlife. Of course, since my beliefs are so vague, and there are so many of you that believe the exact same thing, it's easy to feel like I'm attacking your beliefs more than anyone who quotes the bible is attacking mine, but it's not true. If you're pissed at me for starting a thread based on my agnosticism, you should also be pissed at the people who start threads about their Christianity.

edit: By the way, I'm here as a moderator to move posts, close threads, and hopefully try to explain to people why certain decisions are being made about the forums. Let me know if you think I'm doing a bad job at that, but if being a moderator means I have to change the way I act on the forums, forget it.

[Bioture]

Job got hit by a bus alright. But he didn't die though. That's one tough motherfucker.

[HeavenSent]

I would be more interested in people's interpretation of the book of Job.

Why? Interesting question, since most of everything between the start & end of that book are just the babblings of man. Job's friends telling him to curse god etc.. for all the sudden hardship.

[HeavenSent]

In other words, heavensent is saying that if the world does not end by the time it's 2015.. he will stop believing.

Not necessarily. I'll just have to accept that man cannot be trusted for anything... not even sacred scripture. At most, i'd probably just believe that there is a God but not any religion or religious text... that the afterlife is indifferent.. Christian or not.

[Galleleo]

In other words, heavensent is saying that if the world does not end by the time it's 2015.. he will stop believing.

[Reaver]

This thread is really a slap in the face of people that use the forums and are super-religious, or even religious, for reasons already stated by TK. Although I consider myself to be religious I don't think I can consider myself super religious. What I have noticed from this thread is that people who dislike openly religious people are just as open and in your face about the fact that they don't like openly religious people as openly religious people are about the fact that they're religious. The openly religious people don't need to be so in someone's face about religion either. In my opinion it's important that you don't denounce your faith, much like this thread would like you to do, but that doesn't mean that you need to let everyone know what you believe in every 10 seconds either.
Furthermore, the fact that you titled it "At what point would you super-relgious types admit that you're wrong?" and the fact that you don't give a crap whether we think it's not possible or not only makes it more obvious that you're blatant ignorance and complete disregard for other people's beliefs points all too clearly at how naive you are.
I don't dislike you any more or less but It would be nice if I could match you in ignorance on the same level which you have done to myself and others. To be honest, I wouldn't have said this much to a thread started by most others, but as an active, generally intelligent forum user, and now a moderator, the fact that you'd have the audacity to make a thread that insults some of the people you've been put in place to moderate makes the sting that much more.

[HeavenSent]

I have studied the bible like few people have.
I base my knowledge on the many patterns I've discovered reading the bible and extra-biblical text.
The Mayans & Hebrews have various cycles of time. What's really interesting is noting where various cycles merge. The year 2012 is really interesting because most of the time cycles complete in that year.

So... if nothings happening by 2015... my faith might grow less & less, possibly to the piont of admitting the topic of this thread.

However, because of my studies & the experience that started me on my way, I highly doubt that doubt will ever come into play.

[HeavenSent]

Some people choose a religion to answer questions or to feel good about their spirituality.
Some people choose something to believe in because they had a paranormal experience that sets them on a path with a mission.

[Bilbo]

you don't get pussy or weed in hell.

Shit, looks like hell won't be so bad after all, because I don't get those now either.

[Facetious]

let me know when you get hit by a bus.

OK!!!!

[Epinephrine]

WOW THIS IS FUCKING LONG.

Spider... there will be a place for religion for a very long time yet. People need #1 and #2 of my criteria. #1 can somewhat be mitigated by science, but #2 can't. Unless you're a country like Japan, or are a strict communist country where there's a prevailing ideology to act a certain way, society will need religion in order to make sure people don't just do whatever they want because they realize there aren't enough consequences for things which laws do not regulate.

[DoTheFandango]

what is with all the freaking religious talk around here nowadays?

any how, I'm very interested in what happens in the end. I really wish that religion made sense, then I would abide by it.

Who cares, do what you love and fuck the rest.