Hellgate: London

[Liquid Blue]

Awesome video. I hadn't even seen it before getting into the game.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ID0i7_N0g

Remember the dead!

wow that was actually pretty badass, although really dark. I'm going to have to check this out.

[Stabwound]

I was so excited about this game until they announced the monthly fee, and now it keeps getting worse and worse.

It has nothing to do with the amount it costs; it's just the principle of the thing.

[Noah]

The principle of paying the devs to keep adding more content, and to keep working out bugs and balance issues that will arise?

What would WoW be today, if it weren't funded to keep refreshing itself with new content? Would you expect all that for free?

If you had to pay 10$ to the company just because they were greedy, and didn't do shit, I'd agree with you.

[Stabwound]

No, it's the fact that they intentionally gimp the game so that you'll give them money to be able to play the real thing. Imagine Diablo 2 requiring a payment to play Hell difficulty or Hardcore mode. Or having to pay to equip Hell difficulty equipment. Originally, in Hellgate, there was normal, nightmare, and hell difficulty, but they cut out hell and changed it to "elite" and slapped it in the pay-to-play perks.

There is a difference between paying for new content and paying to have a non-gimped game. They removed stuff that should have been in the base game, and charge you to access it. Paying feels more like it completes the game, rather than adds anything to it. Also, most games get free patches/bug-fixes, so I don't see why I should have to pay for them with this game.

Within 6-12 months, the pay-to-play version is going to be so wildly different from the free version that no one is going to want to play the free one. It will be kind of like Guild Wars: you're free to play just the base game, but it's boring and pointless unless you actually buy the expansion packs.

Also, this is an ongoing monthly charge. The minute you stop paying them, you lose all of the perks and content you've paid for. Haven't you ever picked up an old game years later and started playing again? Some people have been playing Diablo 2 for 7 years, which would have cost something like $1000 if they charged to play like Hellgate does. If you pickup Hellgate again a few years later, you have to shell out money again if you want to play the real game, which you've already paid for.

There are many people that would want to play only single-player. Why should they have to pay a monthly fee?

If you support this game, we're going to see more games with this business model in the future.

[Noah]

No, it's the fact that they intentionally gimp the game so that you'll give them money to be able to play the real thing. Imagine Diablo 2 requiring a payment to play Hell difficulty or Hardcore mode. Or having to pay to equip Hell difficulty equipment. Originally, in Hellgate, there was normal, nightmare, and hell difficulty, but they cut out hell and changed it to "elite" and slapped it in the pay-to-play perks.

I did not know that Hellgate was planned to be released with all three difficulties. I'll take your word for it, but if you have a link to show for it, I'd be happy to read this firsthand. Right now, hell isn't even in the game at all. It's either Normal, Nightmare, Elite-Normal or Elite-Nightmare.

I have to admit, this changes things.

There's not much to subscribe to right now, but I'm guessing more content will be added later. As soon as we get more content for the subscription, I think its worth it.

[Kahlan]

The main problem I see with the game right now is the lack of party participation. I was looking through the site and it looks as if they're trying to make it be like a party game but it focuses mostly on the individual play.

[Desire]

So is this one of those games that require you to drop whatever it is that you're doing outside the computer room in order to "be good" at it? Or can I actually get something out of it while studying and practicing other activities giving me about 1-3 hours a day to actually sit down and play? I've been looking for a real casual mmorpg for a while (WoW for example is not a casual game no matter what the developers say) but I'm thinking they don't exist.

[Noah]

This isn't a MMORPG, this is a online ARPG!

From what I've seen so far, there's no need to play this hardcore. I played the beta in my own pace, and so did everyone I've talked to that has played the beta. There's nothing so far that indicates a need to play a certain amount of time.

This is one of the things I really like about the game.

[Dameon Angell]

Yes, this is an MMORPG and yes they did originally come out and say "We'll keep the game free to play." Which everyone translated as "no Monthly Fees" which was really "Yeah, we won't tell you the monthly fees, yet."

Shady.

[Noah]

Would you call Diablo2 online an MMORPG?

[Kahlan]

Would you call Diablo2 online an MMORPG?

Arena Online Role Playing Game = Diablo 2.

[Dameon Angell]

Guild Wars is an MMORPG therefore Hellgate, using the same Guild Wars system, is also a MMORPG.

[Noah]

You didn't answer my question. :/

[Cops]

this is pretty awesome, I think I got as far as I could with the demo. I started off with a blademaster and basically just hacked my way through zombies and did alll the quests.

a couple of things

- peg leg was sick, it reminded me of diablo
- the sound of boxes breaking was similar to diablo, loved it
- i like the chests, it's a nice way to make the diablo style of play more futuristic
- i love using two guns and rolling back my scroll button until im in FPS mode, it's great to just play a straight shoot dead type of game once in awhile

a few questions/concerns

- is this going to be a mmorpg? i doubt it, in my head i think it would probably be similar to diablo and guild wars ( with a slight glance to posts above I think it's going to operate the same way Guild Wars does)

- if this resembles everquest in the slightest way I'll break this game into pieces, I've been hooked on games but Everquest is cross between heroin and crack, it's fucking disgusting, they rob you of $10 a month then $40 every time there's a fucking update or expansion which was every ten minutes with that game. I've seen lives destroyed over games like Ultima Online or Everquest, shit I didn't have a social life for 3 years because of UO

- Fuck WoW, I played closed beta and when you had to pay and the game was routine, same shit different day, the only neat thing was dungeon crawls and the PVP battle grounds but to even compete you need to do so much tedious shit, leveling is a bitch and not fun, if you say you like quests after WoW you're fucking lying out your teeth. The platform of the game didn't change from level 10-20 to 50-60, some things looked cooler after awhile but it was the same shit over and over. At least in UO there was houses, a player created economy, a real sense of guilds or factions and for the sad and desperate people out there a sense of social communication. WoW is full of shit piss cunts who steal their dad's credit card every month to buy time, luckily their fathers buy so much porno when the word 'WoW' comes up in their monthly statement they pass it off as another porn they bought.

[Cops]

even conc's viewing this thread and secretly he agrees with me about WoW. friggin beatdown brigade