War or deadly disease, which terrifies you more

[PolluX]

Eek, Richy those aliens look scary. Is they real?

[Qbe]

Wicked.

Originally posted by CrvenBan
Not that I wish, but it'd be quite educational if you, all that think war is better, would experienced a little bit of war first. I have a gut feeling it'd change your opinions dramatically.

True. But for some of us we simply can't because of age restrictions -- not our fault.

I'm for war with Iraq and possible war with North Korea.
(And I supposrt both Bush and war. GG.)

[CrvenBan]

Re: Wicked.

Originally posted by Qbe
True. But for some of us we simply can't because of age restrictions -- not our fault.

I wasn't talking about volounteering into the war (which is bad in itself), but generally living through one...just like I did when I was 15-16yrs old.
It changes you pretty much; having to fall asleep wondering if you'll wake up in the morning; seeing a guy next to you with broken jaw and few broken ribs because of his name and nationality; having to swim across the river in january because 3 guys are chasing you with knives to cut your throath; listening to your friend crying cuz she almost got raped by a soldier day before; having to see your neighbour find his parents dead with their heads cut off and put into the toilet seat; walking with your buddy on street and then seeing him fall down all bloody cuz a strayed bullet hit him in the sholder, carrying him to the hospital as he's crying for his mom; having a drunk soldier come up behind you, putting a gun on your head, saying: I don't think you should live anymore and then pulling a trigger (empty gun, as it was a "joke") - after which you could see yourself trying to break an iron pipe off his back, and asking him do you think you should walk again? I made that man cry and beg for his life (he was in his 40s). I left all my fears and tears on the concrete of that town in 1992, 16yrs old....and I was the fucking lucky one, nothing happened to me actually.
Now, imagine yourself fighting in the streets, ducking for bullets, having your friends die on your arms, seeing legs and arms and heads blown off...do you think that scene from Full metal jacket (sniper fire) was made up from his imagination ? No, my friend, that scene was lived through first.

War is not some fucking video-game thing where you shoot imaginary ppl from distance, it's real, mostly innocent ppl that are dying, and you pray to your god that you never have to feel a gun pointing at your head, you little cocksucker.

[PolluX]

omg crven..

[Variable]

Bush wants oil.

[Server]

agreed.. if he likes to get rid of hussein.. he can just get him killed.. but he needs to get iraqs land so he can get the oil

[Mantra-Slider]

Visste inte att du hade haft det så kasst crv
Du har ju inte sagt nåt din zigge!!

[Dabram]

Re: Re: Wicked.

Originally posted by CrvenBan
I wasn't talking about volounteering into the war (which is bad in itself), but generally living through one...just like I did when I was 15-16yrs old.
It changes you pretty much; having to fall asleep wondering if you'll wake up in the morning; seeing a guy next to you with broken jaw and few broken ribs because of his name and nationality; having to swim across the river in january because 3 guys are chasing you with knives to cut your throath; listening to your friend crying cuz she almost got raped by a soldier day before; having to see your neighbour find his parents dead with their heads cut off and put into the toilet seat; walking with your buddy on street and then seeing him fall down all bloody cuz a strayed bullet hit him in the sholder, carrying him to the hospital as he's crying for his mom; having a drunk soldier come up behind you, putting a gun on your head, saying: I don't think you should live anymore and then pulling a trigger (empty gun, as it was a "joke") - after which you could see yourself trying to break an iron pipe off his back, and asking him do you think you should walk again? I made that man cry and beg for his life (he was in his 40s). I left all my fears and tears on the concrete of that town in 1992, 16yrs old....and I was the fucking lucky one, nothing happened to me actually.
Now, imagine yourself fighting in the streets, ducking for bullets, having your friends die on your arms, seeing legs and arms and heads blown off...do you think that scene from Full metal jacket (sniper fire) was made up from his imagination ? No, my friend, that scene was lived through first.

War is not some fucking video-game thing where you shoot imaginary ppl from distance, it's real, mostly innocent ppl that are dying, and you pray to your god that you never have to feel a gun pointing at your head, you little cocksucker.

I think people who are for a war should be confronted with stories like these. It seems that only by confrontation most people can actually realize what a war means. How many innocent deaths it will cost. And they hopefully can realize that especially in this case getting rid of Saddam Hussein does NOT weight heavier than all the innocent deaths. What especially makes me so sad is that the people who decide if there's gonna be a war or not are those standing the most far away from it and who will never be confronted with seeing people next to them dying or losing limbs like Crvn said and did go thru.

The thing that seriously confronted me with innocent victims of war was an episode of People's Century (very good series on Discovery channel). Interviews with people who got very close to death in a war and saw people close to them die. Also some video-recordings. It was really impressing. There are also some movies that show what war is really like, Deer hunter for example.

-bram

[Exiled Soul]

Again, it never ceases to amaze me.

Unless you know the disease has a 100% fatality rate, once you catch it you probably won't die. Hate to break this to you but even weaponized anthrax in mass quantities hitting the major usa cities will only be an annoyence and a practice in keeping the riots to a minimum. Insofar no country has ever fallen or surrended when chemical or biological weapons have been employed.

So, even then, why don't you just commit suicide when you feel the smallest sniffle?

Oh, and it takes awhile for a bullet to kill you even if it hits you in the head, remember folks bullets make holes, you are slowly bleeding to death.

^ignore above statment.

Bullets hurt, and people shoot low as per training, I don't have any personal experience but getting shot in the face or head seems unlikely.

[TelC@t]

Re: Re: Wicked.

Originally posted by Material Girl
In the event of an outbreak, however, you can always go live off canned soup ... quietly in the woods.

Personally I prefer colder places ... I have heard that many dieases are transmitted by mosquitoes ... so you probablly don't want to risk it in the woods

Originally posted by CrvenBan
It changes you pretty much; having to fall asleep wondering if you'll wake up in the morning; seeing a guy next to you with broken jaw and few broken ribs because of his name and nationality; having to swim across the river in january because 3 guys are chasing you with knives to cut your throath; listening to your friend crying cuz she almost got raped by a soldier day before; having to see your neighbour find his parents dead with their heads cut off and put into the toilet seat; walking with your buddy on street and then seeing him fall down all bloody cuz a strayed bullet hit him in the sholder, carrying him to the hospital as he's crying for his mom; having a drunk soldier come up behind you, putting a gun on your head, saying: I don't think you should live anymore and then pulling a trigger (empty gun, as it was a "joke") - after which you could see yourself trying to break an iron pipe off his back, and asking him do you think you should walk again? I made that man cry and beg for his life (he was in his 40s). I left all my fears and tears on the concrete of that town in 1992, 16yrs old....and I was the fucking lucky one, nothing happened to me actually.
Now, imagine yourself fighting in the streets, ducking for bullets, having your friends die on your arms, seeing legs and arms and heads blown off...do you think that scene from Full metal jacket (sniper fire) was made up from his imagination ? No, my friend, that scene was lived through first.

Dude ... people didn't invent nuclear bombs so they can fight with knives ... I am thinking more along the lines of 'huge explosions' as far as furture world wars are concerned.

[Andy Rooney]

Diseases are unstoppable and so painful. Death in war would hopefully come quick. No one ever said jim who died of a staph infection died an honorable death. Plus at least you are doing something in war. In a hospital bed, it would get so boring.

[Jason]

Originally posted by Variable
Bush wants oil.

Nah, he just wants to please daddy.

[Zloy]

Chances are that TeleAznCommunic@T is the carrier of that deadly disease

[Zerzera]

The SARS is making me shiver more than the war in Iraq. Living in Holland I just know I am going to be hit by that disease. I don't think Uncle Saddam nor Uncle Bush is going to bomb The Netherlands... Unless Bush finds out we have nuclear and chemical weapons stored here by the US.

At this moment SARS traveled from Asia trough Amsterdam to England, I just hope that that English cunt didn't infect any of our people.... if it hits Holland the chance I get ill is like me being hit by burst in flagroom.

[CrvenBan]

Re: Re: Re: Wicked.

Originally posted by TelC@t
Dude ... people didn't invent nuclear bombs so they can fight with knives ... I am thinking more along the lines of 'huge explosions' as far as furture world wars are concerned.

I don't know if I should cuss you out or pity you for this statement, but I am leaning towards the pity only beacuse the lack of the reality here. It's not your fault that your sense of reality is false one.
Hiroshima was a huge explosion. You think those numbers of dead human beings are just numbers on paper ?
No war can be won by just bombardments (if it's a real war with intention to occupy a teritory), and you can ask all those people that have been in Vietnam what it was like (seeing how there was a big amount of 'huge exlposions' there too). Eventually ground forces will get into urban style battles, and once that happens all humanity is gone. No matter how modern weaponry one possess, once you feel the fear in your bones, your mental level drops to that of 'fight with knife'.
And before you make another statment about what war is like, go find some stories about what it really is like, read about women that have been held in captivity and raped every day in a period of _years_, read about sons having to kill their own fathers or about tortured people, and then come speak about huge explosions again.


"They say the war brings out the best and the worst in us. What is the best ?"