The "Bubs" of politics

[Singularity]

ok how about a more recent one then.

http://media.www.dailygamecock.com/m...s-836175.shtml

Noone is denying there are severe consequences with unwanted pregnancies and abortion in general. Rape victims or teen pregnancies result in conflicting emotions and estrangement from one's family regardless of abortions.
The cancer/abortion link has recently been disproved, if you had more up to date information you could've found this yourself. I'll link you to the science summary of it (science is one of the more reputable scientific journals):
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...299/5612/1498b
Uploaded Abstract as picture: http://i26.tinypic.com/2qjiy4h.jpg
I'm not sure if the content is free as I am viewing it from my Uni atm.

Just go back to my first post in this topic and you will see why even Obama knows this issue will never be resolved.

Edit: Didn't see kolar already put up some solid ref saying the same. My bad.

[royCE]

believe me, if i wanted to, id prove my points valid but i dont have the will to persue a dumbass...
once an ignorant fuck makes up his mind, theres no turning back...

but if i wanted to prove my shit, id go and talk about stem cell research and why it was stopped, why is it still going, and how its being done...

[genocidal]

believe me, if i wanted to, id prove my points valid but i dont have the will to persue a dumbass...
once an ignorant fuck makes up his mind, theres no turning back...

but if i wanted to prove my shit, id go and talk about stem cell research and why it was stopped, why is it still going, and how its being done...

[/ABORTIONDEBATE]

Well done.

[HateTheFake]

False. See Kolar's link/post above.

false read my statement above.

That has to be the dumbest statement you've made to date. I should be glad legalized abortion wasn't around? Guess what, holmes? Abortion's been around for thousands of years, whether it's been legal or not. Are you saying that somehow, because abortion is legal, that people are rushing out to have abortions?

Be glad legalized abortion wasnt around 30 or so years ago, or your voice/opinion (no matter how horrible) may not exist today.

legalized abortion hasnt been around for thousands of years

Why do you feel that you need to step in and do that? Don't you feel that the mother/father of the unborn child can voice that perfectly well? Why is it your right as a complete and unattached third party?

why do you feel killing is a necessity based on choice alone?

You're jumping from one foot to the other. On one hand, you're saying that it causes all these physical problems with the woman having it--that's where I'm saying it's personal choice. It's like smoking is a personal choice. It's like excercise is a personal choice. Don't cite a page full of outdated medical studies about "risk to the mother" if you're just going to say "duh, it's still equal to murder" (which is debatable).

No im simply making a comparison of human life, i see no difference in cutting up a man then cutting up a fertile egg.

Are you a vegan? If not, then you're still taking life. Even if you are a vegan, you'd still be "taking life." The hypocrasy of "human life is somehow more valuable than all other life" is ridiculous religious dogma.

Im not vegen, and last i checked i dont go to animals and perform abortions on them, just because they dont want kids.

believe me, if i wanted to, id prove my points valid but i dont have the will to persue a dumbass...
once an ignorant fuck makes up his mind, theres no turning back...

but if i wanted to prove my shit, id go and talk about stem cell research and why it was stopped, why is it still going, and how its being done...

If you had valid points why not prove them, at least it would be more respectable. At least singularity has provided links (even thou it wont let me see them) and what not to create his points as valid. But the most youve had to offer has been.

tell someone how to raise their kids see what they say

[Galleleo]

So its ok for you to eat meat from Animals that, in a lot of cases, were brutaly murdered or sterilised without pain medication or anything, but taking something away that is not yet human is a no no?

[HateTheFake]

So its ok for you to eat meat from Animals that, in a lot of cases, were brutaly murdered or sterilised without pain medication or anything, but taking something away that is not yet human is a no no?

I dont know where you are from, but i dont know about brutaly murdered, most animal deaths are quick. There are actual laws in america to regulate this. Maybe not where your from. Maybe you all beat your animals to death with sticks or something

[royCE]

put it this way, i really dont care about your opinion...at best, im expressing mine and not givin a fuck about proving it...but go to google and type in stem cells and see what you find...

[royCE]

I dont know where you are from, but i dont know about brutaly murdered, most animal deaths are quick. There are actual laws in america to regulate this. Maybe not where your from. Maybe you all beat your animals to death with sticks or something

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL THEIR QUICK????????????

lolol and abortions are slow and painful suffering to the embryo

stupid hippie fuck

[HateTheFake]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL THEIR QUICK????????????

lolol and abortions are slow and painful suffering to the embryo

stupid hippie fuck

actually they arent always fast to the embro's, some abortions have to be done more then once, in fact there have been many "aborted babies" alive today because the inhumane procedure didnt go as planned

royce you really arent quick on uptake, do yourself a favor and dont reply again

[Singularity]

Stick with SSBB royce, argumentation isn't your strong point. (doubleposting is)
Also, I added a link to the science pub.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

false read my statement above.

Your "statement" was a link to a pro-life website. Thank you, but I think I'll take my scientific fact from scientific research organizations, not people with a pre-ordained agenda.

legalized abortion hasnt been around for thousands of years

What makes you think that it being legal makes it any less of an option? Marijuana isn't legal, but people still smoke it.

why do you feel killing is a necessity based on choice alone?

You seem to think killing animals is okay. That's your choice, right? I'm not condoning a wholesale killing of all embryos--what I am saying, is that it's a little more nuanced of a decision than "all abortions are bad."

Im not vegen, and last i checked i dont go to animals and perform abortions on them, just because they dont want kids.

But you do eat them. What about "these life forms need a voice"? Is that negated because they can't communicate? I doubt any of them really want to be a food source. We're not talking about animal abortions, we're talking about you making the decision to take a life. See how things are a little more grey than you'd like to believe?

[HateTheFake]

believe me, if i wanted to, id prove my points valid but i dont have the will to persue a dumbass...

royce we all know about dumbasses.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthr...ighlight=royce

royces only point in the entire thread

and like i said before, try telling another parent how to raise their kid and see what they tell you...

But you do eat them. What about "these life forms need a voice"? Is that negated because they can't communicate? I doubt any of them really want to be a food source. We're not talking about animal abortions, we're talking about you making the decision to take a life. See how things are a little more grey than you'd like to believe?

True but we dont waste the animal, we use most of it for food, clothing, hotdogs. We dont just kill it and throw it away.

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I dont know where you are from, but i dont know about brutaly murdered, most animal deaths are quick. There are actual laws in america to regulate this. Maybe not where your from. Maybe you all beat your animals to death with sticks or something

There may be laws, but it does not mean in any way whatsoever that these rules and regulations are followed. For example Chicken farms violate most of these laws regularly. What about the Slaughterhouse in CA that was using fork lifts to move cows that had been so ridden with disease that they couldn't stand and walk. They moved them with the fork lift and processed them for months prior to being caught and many people just ate it not knowing there could be severe health risks with it.

The FDA is undermanned and does not regulate enough as it is. I personally do not trust the FDA.

Not to go off subject about abortion...personally I could care less about the issue. I am not raising these kids and the world they are being born into is failing as it is, so let them be born into hell on earth or be saved with an abortion.

[HateTheFake]

There may be laws, but it does not mean in any way whatsoever that these rules and regulations are followed. For example Chicken farms violate most of these laws regularly. What about the Slaughterhouse in CA that was using fork lifts to move cows that had been so ridden with disease that they couldn't stand and walk. They moved them with the fork lift and processed them for months prior to being caught and many people just ate it not knowing there could be severe health risks with it.

The FDA is undermanned and does not regulate enough as it is. I personally do not trust the FDA.

That maybe so but i dont condone that as well. But good point thou

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

True but we dont waste the animal, we use most of it for food, clothing, hotdogs. We dont just kill it and throw it away.

So what's different about that from stem cell research?

EDIT - There ARE parts that are thrown away during the meat packing process. You're kidding yourself if you think that absolutely everything is used.

PS - YOU'RE STILL TAKING A LIFE. You still haven't responded as to why it's any different, just because you use it.