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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

    Despite its best efforts, it appears as if Keynesian economics is finally reaching its inevitable conclusion: failure. Fractional-reserve banking is collapsing despite the Federal Reserve's best efforts.

    http://billburnham.blogs.com/burnham...-maes-gol.html

    At the same time, government-created lending institutions Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac are beginning to implode, as well.

    Lew:
    Ludwig von Mises had a theory about interventionism. It doesn't accomplish its stated ends. Instead it distorts the market. That distortion cries out for a fix. The fix can consist in pulling back and freeing the market or taking further steps toward intervention. The State nearly always chooses the latter course, unless forced to do otherwise. The result is more distortion, leading eventually, by small steps, toward ever more nationalization and its attendant stagnation and bankruptcy.

    When you think about the current Fannie Mae-Freddie Mac crisis, you must remember Mises's theory of intervention. Reporters will not, but you must, provided you want to understand what is going on. President Bush is considering a fateful step in a 60-year-old problem: the nationalization of these mortgage companies. He wants to guarantee the $5 trillion (that's trillion with a "t") in debt owned by these companies. Another option would be to put these monstrosities under "conservatorship," which means that you and I will pay for their losses directly.

    Either way, it turns out that there is no magic way to put every American citizen, regardless of financial means or credit history, in a 3,000 square foot home. Someone, somewhere, sometime has to pay. No matter what rescue plan they are able to cobble together, that someone is you.

    The heck of it is that any option would be devastating to the already-suffering housing market. The reason this sector was so wildly inflated is that banks knew that Fannie and Freddie were capable of buying any mortgage debt created by the banking industry. For these companies to be nationalized would effectively end their capacity to do this on a market basis. That means banks would suddenly have to act responsibly.

    Now, you might say, if that's true, the real blame is with the individual bankers that had been making irresponsible loans under the condition that these government-sponsored enterprises would absorb them. But that's not right. Put yourself in the shoes of a banker over the last twenty years. You have competitors. You have a bottom line. If you don't extend these loans, you come off as a fool. Your competition eats your breakfast. To stay ahead of market trends means that you have to play the game, even though you know it is rigged.

    Place the blame not only on the banks, but also on the institutions that are siphoning off their liabilities for irresponsible behavior, and that would be Freddie and Fannie. And who created these? Travel back in time to the New Deal. Here is an article about the creation of Freddie Mac. And here is another about Fannie Mae.

    They were created by FDR in 1938 to fund mortgages insured by the Federal Home Administration. They were used by every president as a means to achieve this weird American value that every last person must own a home, no matter what. So they were given the legal permission to purchase private mortgages and make them part of their portfolios. Still later, under LBJ and Nixon, they became public companies and sold stock. People called this privatization, but that isn't quite right. They had access to a guaranteed line of credit creation with the U.S. Treasury. They had lower borrowing costs than any private-sector equivalent.

    Government-sponsored enterprises are not subject to market discipline like regular private sector companies. Their securities are listed as government securities, so their risk premiums were not dictated by the free market. They could leverage themselves at 50-, 75-, 100-1, pyramiding debt on a tiny foundation of equity. The financial markets have long believed that the GSEs would be bailed out no matter what. And so this put them in a completely different position from a company like Enron, which the markets watched closely. What's causing the current panic is that the markets have wised up and started evaluating these institutions by market standards. Freddie and Fannie have collapsing market prices, and their bonds are carrying ever-higher risk premiums.

    In other words, we are not talking about market failure. If you have a housetop you can shout that from, please do so, because the press and the government are going to make every effort to blame private borrowers and lenders for this calamity. But the origin of both these outfits is with federal legislation. They are not market entities. They have long been guaranteed by you and me. No, they have not been socialist entities either because they are privately owned. They occupy a third status for which there is a name: fascism. Really, that's what we are talking about: the inexorable tendency of financial fascism to mutate into full-scale financial socialism and therefore bankruptcy.

    Mr. Bush might have prevented this meltdown by curbing the privileges of Freddie and Fannie long ago. But no, he had another plan, one which was assisted by the Republican think tanks in Washington (the curious can Google it up). The idea was a new slogan called the "ownership society."

    Sounds nice, doesn't it? Sounds like free enterprise. But if you think about it, there is nothing particularly free market about the demand that everyone should own anything in particular. The idea of free markets is that your rights to own justly are not to be infringed by public or private criminals. The suggestion that everyone should own some particular thing, by whatever means, can only be funded through financial socialism or mass theft. The claim on the part of a government that it will create an "ownership society" can prove to be highly dangerous.

    As for the future, Mises's theory that the government will always favor more government seems wholly sound. Here is John McCain: "Those institutions, Fannie and Freddie, have been responsible for millions of Americans to be able to own their own homes, and they will not fail, we will not allow them to fail…we will do what’s necessary to make sure that they continue that function." Not a single Democrat disagrees.

    As with the S&L fiasco from years ago, the case of the housing bust followed by the trillions in taxpayer liabilities for the disaster will again be cited as a case of "the shock doctrine" and "disaster capitalism" in which the elites make fantastic amounts of money at the expense of the little guy. The critique will be mostly solid but for the one most important point: this kind of fiasco would not happen in a free market. It happens because government, through credit creation and guarantees, makes it possible.

    Look down the road a bit here. What happens when banks won't lend for houses anymore? What will government do then? We might as well prepare for a future in which applying for a housing loan will have similar features to getting an SBA loan. This is where we are headed.
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  • #2
    If our current government hadn't already squandered our social security dollars down to the money that is currently being put in, half of this wouldn't be a problem. We're already headed to recession, my best advice is to be really really good at what you do so you can keep your job.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Fit of Rage View Post
      If our current government hadn't already squandered our social security dollars down to the money that is currently being put in, half of this wouldn't be a problem. We're already headed to recession, my best advice is to be really really good at what you do so you can keep your job.
      Or, go into an industry that is unaffected by recession. So, alcohol or healthcare.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HandofDeath View Post
        Or, go into an industry that is unaffected by recession. So, alcohol or healthcare.
        I think it would of been better to say tobacco, being that healthcare isn't that great here in America
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        • #5
          HoD!
          Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.

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          • #6
            ahem
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            All good things must come to an end.

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            • #7
              http://www.cnbc.com/id/25680397

              Oil tumbled by about $8 to below $138 a barrel in volatile trading on Tuesday on profit-taking driven by technical factors and as fears receded that a strike by Brazilian oil workers would hit supplies.

              "This is largely profit-taking run amuck. There is no real hard news that you can tie this to. We have seen fundamentals weakening progressively month after month and the fall in the stock market calls our attention to that," said Tim Evans of Citi Futures Perspective.
              Yes, blame speculators and "profit-takers", it's way more convenient than to name the hundreds, if not thousands of decisions that the US fedgov made that slowly destroyed our dollar, economy, and oil production

              http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

              Stocks fell and the dollar dropped to a record low against the euro earlier as investors lost confidence in the government's rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the risks of an economic slowdown and faster inflation are increasing.
              Wow, Bernanke, I thought you said this would be over before it started? Why aren't your magical Keynesian policies working?

              http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aIKXXRPODCxI

              Bernanke cited higher energy prices, reduced access to credit and a further deepening in the housing recession as dangers to growth. At the same time, he said: ``We must be particularly alert to any indications, such as an erosion of longer-term inflation expectations, that the inflationary impulses from commodity prices are becoming embedded'' in wages and prices.
              Another instance of "unexpected circumstances" tearing economic planning a new asshole. It's too late, Bernanke, our dollar's inflated and we might as well get used to calling today's prices "normal", they're only going to get higher as Bernanke attempts to stabilize his own mistakes via further inflation of the dollar.

              Can someone please explain to me how Keynes would have prevented a "boom-bust" cycle?
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              • #8
                ITT jon stewart's vagina.
                Last edited by DoTheFandango; 07-15-2008, 03:41 PM.
                Originally posted by Jeenyuss
                sometimes i thrust my hips so my flaccid dick slaps my stomach, then my taint, then my stomach, then my taint. i like the sound.

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                • #9
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                  • #10
                    Yeah it's all Bernanke's fault.. it's not like all this mess was brewing for years under Greenspan and his support for Miltonian winner take all no regulation for all style of economics. Oh wait... it was.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Epinephrine View Post
                      Yeah it's all Bernanke's fault.. it's not like all this mess was brewing for years under Greenspan and his support for Miltonian winner take all no regulation for all style of economics. Oh wait... it was.
                      I use Ben "The Helicopter" Bernanke interchangeably with Alan "Printing Press" Greenspan and the rest of the Fed, and you should read Milton Friedman's books and the Chicago School in General... advocates of Keynesian fiscal policy, all of them. And it's Keynesian policy that's directed, created and unleashed this mess. You can call regulation "no regulation" but it's regulation.

                      Regardless, the Fed got a wave of new regulatory powers since the beginning of the crisis and matters haven't improved. As a matter of fact, I'd say they have gotten worse.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jerome Scuggs View Post
                        Yes, blame speculators and "profit-takers", it's way more convenient than to name the hundreds, if not thousands of decisions that the US fedgov made that slowly destroyed our dollar, economy, and oil production
                        And now Bush is going to rape legislation once again to crack open another piggy bank he shouldn't be touching.
                        You ate some priest porridge

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