President Barack Obama

[Money]

too many nerds for it not to turn into a religious thing

[MetalHeadz]

so what created matter then genius?

Einsteins Theory of General Relativity infers that all matter came from the same point, at the same time: aka The Big Bang. The Big Bang has been scientifically proven to have occured with the scientific revelations of galactical 'red shifts' and cosmic microwave radiation.

Before the Big Bang, we can only speculate: nobody knows for sure. Nobody can know for sure. However, the elegance and logical coherency of multiversalism or singularity theory is far more appealing to a thinker than 'we can't explain that, therefore my god must have done it'. In any case, the philosophical argument of a deistical 'fine tuner', a position well argued by the likes of Pascale and Spinoza, does not lend any credence to the ideas or stories of religion. A Christian cannot 'know' that Jesus was born of a virgin, yet he claims to know it. There is a huge disparity between evidence and belief. In other words, whilst I cannot be sure that I am right, I know for certain that you are wrong.

Current estimations of our universe's age are around 13.5-14 billion years, as opposed to the religious approximation of 6 thousand years. Religion clearly gets things severely wrong on it's assumptions about the age of our universe.

Since you know everything maybe you can explain this to me. Its so ridiculous to believe in a god yet you know why we're here I guess? I'm asking this as someone who used to think the same thing but realized over time that I will never know the answer to this question. I cant call people ridiculous that believe, especially seeing as how some of the atheist scientists who have gone out to prove the lack of existence of a god have converted to some sort of belief citing how improbable it would be for Earth to be here naturally...and I'm pretty sure those guys are smarter than all of us here. So, if they find it reasonable to believe....

If you think that a handful of converted scientists is evidence of the strength of religious claims then surely the fact that the vast majority of scientists are unconverted is stronger evidence against them. This is a complete non-argument though. The Big Bang and evolution happened irrespective of whether everybody on this planet suddenly believed otherwise. They are truths, not theories.

[Vykromond]

so what created matter then genius? Since you know everything maybe you can explain this to me. Its so ridiculous to believe in a god yet you know why we're here I guess? I'm asking this as someone who used to think the same thing but realized over time that I will never know the answer to this question. I cant call people ridiculous that believe, especially seeing as how some of the atheist scientists who have gone out to prove the lack of existence of a god have converted to some sort of belief citing how improbable it would be for Earth to be here naturally...and I'm pretty sure those guys are smarter than all of us here. So, if they find it reasonable to believe....

Was this supposed to be directed at me? None of this has anything whatsoever to do with my post, and I don't care at all whether you're religious or not.

[Kid Kaos]

Your all a bunch of fucking idiots in my book.

[genocidal]

I love when Metal Headz gets on these forums once every few weeks to show us what he has learned in his 1000 level philosophy classes. Right on brother! Religion=not proof!

[Jerome Scuggs]

i love religious debates because it shows how subjective reality really is

+how stupid some people are

[Squeezer]

Legislation limiting lobbyists

Obama aide says lobbyists will not be allowed to work in the field they've lobbied for in the the last year. Step one to cutting out lobbyists :greedy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27665871

I guess I don't think lobbyists are that bad, I just don't like the amount of control over govt. they now have. Politicians should represent their constituents, not the guy's throwing their party.

[Pearl Jam]

this never gets old

your* an idiot

[Sarien]

Man I come back like once every six months or once a year.

I really need another hit of that HeavenSent brand crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxS9tn7ahv8


I wanted to find the one where he calls Winston Churchill a house Negro, but that'll do I guess.

[Jeenyuss]

Man I come back like once every six months or once a year.

I really need another hit of that HeavenSent brand crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxS9tn7ahv8


I wanted to find the one where he calls Winston Churchill a house Negro, but that'll do I guess.

sarien, i'm not sure if you will read this but in about 3 weeks i'll need you to be back here churning out christmas hat avatars.

[Money]

haha for real jeen!

[Zerzera]

God

because we hope there is a chief of command that has an idea

[Jerome Scuggs]

since when has everyone begun referring to the president as 'commander-in-chief' anyways? the phrase refers to a military commander, not a political leader.

america, the democracy. led by the commander of all military forces.

that sounds like something you'd read about a country in South America, not North America.

[Liquid Blue]

since forever?

i can't think of a time when the president hasn't been called the commander in chief

[HeavenSent]

Man I come back like once every six months or once a year.

I really need another hit of that HeavenSent brand crazy.

If my brand of crazy is knowing there's more going on in the world than what I'm being told by the mass media, educators, politcians & others so highly regarded in the public's trust, and being compelled to share my findings with the complacent 9 to 5 drones, content with their coveted possessions and proud accomplishments, then I must say, my brand is good and I'm glad you noticed how crazy I am.

Here's a great hit for ya:

In David Rockefeller's book "Memoirs" he admits that he is part of a secret cabal working to destroy the United States and create a new world order.

Here is the direct quote from his book pg. 405

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
-David Rockefeller

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