Usa! Usa! Usa!

[Jerome Scuggs]

and seriously if patriotic celebrations were in any way affected by body counts, noone would celebrate ever

the killing has started back up in darfur, and i blame every one of you assholes for it, and none of you may have any fun until said issue is resolved.

[Jerome Scuggs]

You're jumping dominos.

The US played a role in creating a political environment that allowed a man like Hitler to come into power. The economical conditions created by the Treaty of Versailles created opportunity for a man like HItler to seize power.

This is not a variable to be overlooked. There is a correlation there.

therefore, we can blame our founding fathers, who created america who created nazi germany, for adolf hitler. so i guess we should blame colonial england for creating the conditions that would cause america to revolt, which would cause hitler to come to power.

i think all this blame eventually will find its way back to 1066 AD, when the normans invaded england. meaning that it is william, king of normandy's fault that adolf hitler came to power.

edit: in other words, causation != correlation

[Tigron-X]

The point is, war is never that cherry. So propagandistic, bullshit comments like, US is responsible for bringing Hitler to power and is the reason for WWII, should be taken with a grain of salt.

You're jumping dominos.

The US played a role in creating a political environment that allowed a man like Hitler to come into power. The economical conditions created by the Treaty of Versailles created opportunity for a man like HItler to seize power.

This is not a variable to be overlooked. There is a correlation there.

[Xog]

US involvement in WWI didn't save Europe. It layed grounds for WWII. It was pretty much at a stalemate until the US entered. US entry into the war allowed for the Treaty of Versailles which raped Germany economically. If memory serves correct, they would be paying war reperations until the 1980's. This economical destruction of Germany allowed someone like Hitler to rise to power.

The point is, war is never that cherry. So propagandistic, bullshit comments like, "The US saved Europe in WWI & WWII," should be taken with a grain of salt.

The point is, war is never that cherry. So propagandistic, bullshit comments like, US is responsible for bringing Hitler to power and is the reason for WWII, should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Tigron-X]

in the USA, we seem to forget about that and say that it never happened here...usually with a witty reply that the US was responsible for saving Europe in WWI and II. Well that was before all of us had been born, so get over it.

US involvement in WWI didn't save Europe. It layed grounds for WWII. It was pretty much at a stalemate until the US entered. US entry into the war allowed for the Treaty of Versailles which raped Germany economically. If memory serves correct, they would be paying war reperations until the 1980's. This economical destruction of Germany allowed someone like Hitler to rise to power.

The point is, war is never that cherry. So propagandistic, bullshit comments like, "The US saved Europe in WWI & WWII," should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Exalt, The Native Inidan tribes in the U.S. didn't just lose the land in a war with the US Government, they had actually helped the US Govt. and military in fighting the Brits in the reveolution and the Confederates during the Civil War. The Native tribes had so so so many treaties and guarantees from the US Government in regards to land issues to name just one. Every treaty the US Govt made with the Indians was broken with President Jackson.

You may say they have casino's so that should make us even, but tell that to the Casino's such as Foxwoods which is financially suffering, as are most casino's in thie country in our economic downturn.

As for the killing of the Native indians, well the English purposely gave Native Americans blankets contaminated with Yellow Fever and the scalping issue was not a Native American invention...f'n a...if you know your history, you would know that this was also a novelty that the English had demonstrated to the Native Indians back in the French Indian Wars.

I am proud to be an American, but that does not mean I have to be happy with the sugar coated bullshit history our current education systems teach our kids; not to leave out a majority of brainwashed retards that feel that this is all that should be acknowledged. If you dig deep and read about our countires history, it is not peachey and clean of its dark side. All countries have a dark side, but in the USA, we seem to forget about that and say that it never happened here...usually with a witty reply that the US was responsible for saving Europe in WWI and II. Well that was before all of us had been born, so get over it.

[Tigron-X]

Exalt,

Foreigners are fed up with US imperialism.

The US has roughly 760 military bases overseas, not counting Iraq & Afghanistan.

In Dec. 2007, the US deployed roughly 511,000 troops (includes sailors afloat) in roughly 150 foreign countires -- this includes roughly 197,000 to Iraq & 26,000 to Afghanistan.


If China was doing that here in the US, you would be pretty damn discontent with them too.

[Tigron-X]

You sound like you just graduated public high school.

[Exalt]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_N..._US_government

Wark, I'm kinda disappointed that you posted that useless article. It says we killed more Indians than Jews died in the Hollocaust, and then at the bottom it showed that some retarded Self-Righteous Indian kid wrote that. What a bunch of useless garbage info.

He claimed that the US government "killed" his people by supplying them with alcohol. What a fucking joke. We killed you by feeding you booze? Get the fuck outta here you little faggot Native American fuck. Your society "owned" the land until the Europeans took it with superior firepower. Get over it. We owe you nothing.

The Romans took over all of Europe, and they sure as fuck didn't say "here you go native people, have some land, we owe you!" for it. No conquering civilization in the world ever gave shit back to the "natives" really. I don't see why we owe you shit. You have the right to live in the greatest country in the world, all because we took it over and civilized it. I'm sorry that your ancestors that you've never met or probably have ever heard of were "persecuted" because they couldn't handle being pushed aside. That isn't our fault. The native Americans didn't even claim land. They were nomads. You didn't own shit.

The fact that we even gave them reservations for free is enough. They build their little casinos and make a shit ton of money off of it. The fact of the matter is, Indians are getting rich because we let them. Do you know how hard it is to just even BUY land (not get it simply because your ancestors were a specific race of people), and then be ALLOWED to place a casino on it? It's nearly impossible for a regular person with no cash flow. For a native american, it's easy as fuck. We owe them nothing more.

It pisses me off anytime I see some Indian try to say that the US government destroyed their people through alcohol. Don't fucking drink then you piece of shit. If you can't handle it, then stop drinking and living off the government. Gain some ambition. The real fact is that whenever you go on a native american reservation (they are all over the southwest), they are a bunch of losers. They sit on government fed money, and drink and do drugs and do nothing to improve themselves. They have no ambition, because they get everything for free.

Fuck, the ancestors of formers black slaves have more right to "free" land and reperations than any native american ever does. We took their land through war fair and square. The US has a military and have been in plenty of wars. We SAVED Europe from the Nazi's, but I am fucking positive that if we let the Nazi's win, they sure as fuck wouldn't give any of the "native" peoples of those countries any type of reperations.

The Jews had to TAKE their country back in 1970 whatever it was. They did. They aren't giving reperations to Palastine, although they have offered. Palastinians are pieces of shit too. They are too greedy to take FREE land, and instead want it all. They are pieces of shit, because you lost a war, suck it up, and move on. You don't see Egypt or Iran, who helped the Palastinians in that war, giving any reperations to Palastine.

If you lose a war, you lose a war. You lose your land, your right to be free, and that's all there is to it. The Native Americans were simply not able to hold out against the US Government. Even if they had equal firepower, they would've lost, because they are "tribes" of people, not one nation. There is no Nation of Indians. They fucked themselves over by fighting with themselves. You don't see the former native americans giving reperations to each other when they got into wars between them. That sure as fuck didn't happen in their OWN culture, so why would they think the US owes them anything? The Natives killed each other, took their women and their land, and that was it. It's completely retarded to think the US owes them more than their own culture of people would give them, and it shows greed and a lack of responsibility on their own parts. They are simply just pieces of shit if they are the ones living off of government funds and free land and doing nothing with it.










I have a couple friends who are like part cherokee or something, and they sure as fuck don't run around saying "THE GOVERNMENT KILLED MY PEOPLE!". They go to work, make their own money, and live in the greatest country in the world. They are Americans, not Native Americans. They love living in the best country in the world. I have black friends, and they don't run around saying "THE GOVERNMENT ENSLAVED MY PEOPLE!". They go to work, make their own money, and live in the greatest country in the world. To go into the past, and say your ancestors were "wronged" and that YOU deserve something for it is completely ridiculous. I was born a white american. I'm sure if I go back far enough, I could find some type of case where someone wronged one of my ancestors. Does that entitle me to reperations for it? Fuck no it doesn't. If I was born a black guy, or a Native american, or whatever race it may be, would any of that change? Fuck no. You are born because your parents had sex. It's as simple as that. You are responsible for yourself, not the race of your ancestors just because you were born as that race. Go make something of yourself, or fuck off. The american dream is a reality, because it gives people who have the ambition to succeed the opportunity to do that.

Want an example? Look at the whole Lebron James type of crap that is going on. He is going to be a billionaire by the time his career ends, and he is right now the most famous person in the nation with all this hype going on. He grew up in the projects of Akron with a single mother who was unemployed most of the time. She was just a regular druggie unemployed mom, and Lebron would've probably had been just another poor black kid living in the ghetto without his basketball skills. The difference is, he had a talent and skill in something, and he capitalized with the American Dream. Now he is going to be a billionaire. He changed his status in the world, because the US allows that. That is what our country stands for. It's far as fuck better than what Europe had going on for centuries with their Kings and Queens and Peasants and Vassals and all of that bullshit. The US changed the world with Democracy and free capitalism and a government based on the pursuit of happiness. THAT is what makes us the best country in the world. THAT is what sets us apart from every other country in Europe. Britian still has a fucking Queen. You fucks respect that garbage, and for what? They were born into that role, and do not deserve it through any other reason. YOU EUROPEANS might respect that, but Americans do not. We respect making something of yourself through ACHIEVEMENTS and through your own AMBITION, not through being born as a certain race, or in a certain family, or whatever the fuck else. THAT is why we are the best.

So you Europeans can fuck off and suck on American nuts for saving the world in WW2. You would have NO freedom whatsoever if not for us, and we changed the world through it. We became the superpower, because we were the ONLY country willing to sacrifice ourselves in a conflict that wasn't even our own. WE sacrificed our own people to save YOU, and what do you show in gratitude? Nothing. You spit on us simply through jealousy, or arrogance, or whatever the fuck else you want to call it. The facts are, America is the greatest country in the world, and we are the greatest because we BUILT OURSELVES into that through AMBITION. We weren't BORN into it. When we started our Revolution, we did it ourselves. We were never born into a kingdom. We weren't born into a royal family. We elected our own people into office. We created our own government out of nothing, and it succeeded through ambitious people who had goals. Europe would be shit without the United States right now, plain and simple. You would all be singing Hail Hitler as your national anthem, and half your populations would have been sent to death camps anyway. Most of you wouldn't even be born probably, because your parents would've been sent to gas chambers for not being blonde germans with blue eyes.

So... to all you people who say fuck the United States... we say fuck you back and we will continue to be exactly what we make of ourselves through the freedoms we created OURSELVES.

[the_paul]

Lizard is a fucking retard but that post was 100% accurate.

As much as it pains me to say, +1 lizard :up:

[Exalt]

Yeah you live in the heart of the corruption Exalt no wonder you hate life.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_N..._US_government

And you suck astrobitch, go drown yourself in the sauce some more instead of trying to be intelligent on the forums you useless whore.

Ha, I never argued that Chicago wasn't corrupt. Our politicians are probably the most corrupt in the nation, right next to California and New York. We may be the #1, because Daly is the same as his father, and both of them are as corrupt as they come in the politician world. Either way though, Chicago is a nicer city than LA or NY. We actually have a clean city, friendly people, and are just as big with as many attractions as any other city in the country. LA is a shithole smogfest, terrible traffic, terrible crime rates, and only has decent weather to back them up. New York is a dirty shithole self-glorified circle jerk full of arrogant idiots who would tell you to fuck off if you tried to approach them in the street.

Of the big 3 cities, I'll take chicago, especially during summer time. I don't know of a better city to visit during summer in the US than chicago, assuming you want the "big city" atmosphere.

In texas, my favorite city would be austin I think. Clean, nice people, and good weather. Dallas sucked, Houston I've never been to, and San Antonio just has their little riverwalk thing. El Paso was the biggest shithole mexicano fest I've ever seen, and I'm glad I didn't stay there long. El Paso has to be one of the worst cities I've ever been to. If I wanted to go to Tijuana, I would cross the border.

Im a few days late for the holiday, and quite frankly a bit over my head with a few of the posts found in this thread. Simply put, I have been all over the world (18 different countries), and each of those countries has something about them that I will never forget. However, the bottom line is that there is no place like home. There is nothing in this world more valuable to me than being able to call myself an American, and Ive even had the privilege of defending my country.

Fuck all this encyclopedia/wiki argument bullshit, America is the best country in the world, despite our shortcomings and fuck any and all who disapprove.

Happy Birthday America!

[kthx]

Yeah you live in the heart of the corruption Exalt no wonder you hate life.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_N..._US_government

And you suck astrobitch, go drown yourself in the sauce some more instead of trying to be intelligent on the forums you useless whore.

[Exalt]

at least we aren't as bad as australia

we'll always have that to fall back on

They have better weather and hotter women with accents... so we still suck right now

[PH]

at least we aren't as bad as australia

we'll always have that to fall back on