Usa! Usa! Usa!

[Crescent Seal]

There are lots of things to be proud of America for even if you aren't American. It used to stand for liberty, to many people it still does, but the last 50 years of our foreign diplomacy has just sucked so much that Tagmor forgot what there is to be patriotic about.

who cares about what that faggot thinks

[Crescent Seal]

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[Vatican Assassin]

There are lots of things to be proud of America for even if you aren't American. It used to stand for liberty, to many people it still does, but the last 50 years of our foreign diplomacy has just sucked so much that Tagmor forgot what there is to be patriotic about.

[D1st0rt]

Being proud to be American is like a tall guy being proud of his height. He didn't work for it.

In other words, being born on these lands is nothing to be proud of because you didn't accomplish a damn thing. If you were born in another country and went through their public school indoctrination process, you'd be prone to their nationalism.

If someone gave you a winning lottery ticket would you celebrate? You didn't accomplish anything. Actually though, there is a lot to be proud of. America is not some nebulous external entity, it is "We The People" so any contribution, large or small is part of what makes America. I welcome others to be proud of their country; I'm pretty sure everyone can find SOMETHING to be happy about.

If an immigrant boast such claims, then his/her pride has to do with the adversity he/she overcame to move to another country. It has nothing to do with the country he/she decided to move to. In other words, a person can move to any country in the world and still experience the same pride. So, specific geographical location has nothing to do with one's pride. So, being proud of your specific geographical location is just nonsense.

So you can only like a country if you used to be in a different one? I'll grant you that immigrants may appreciate America more, but there's no reason a natural-born citizen can't like it as much. If all you consider countries to be are lines on a map then you're glazing over the much more important cultural aspects.

People are just going through the motions like a mouse that gets excited when the bell rings because it means food.

4th of July relates to beautiful women in bikinis, BBQ, fireworks, and alcohol (even on Sunday) -- which are all fun to be around and experience. But, it's not limited to America.

I mean, are you saying you're proud that you can gorge yourself with hotdogs and alcohol? Because, needless to say, taking pleasure in food and getting drunk is something everyone can experience anywhere in the world. You don't go and say, "I'm proud to be at this baseball game because I can get hotdogs and beer." Or, "I'm proud to be an Astros fan because I get hotdogs and beer."

You really should stop with these terrible analogies. I'm beginning to think you have no idea what the 4th of July is actually about. I guess I should have gotten a red flag when you called it a statist holiday.

Bottom line here, being American doesn't grant you special abilities that allows you to experience women, booze, bbq, and fireworks.

So, why is that association constantly being made here as if it's limited to this country alone? And why is everyone getting all pissed off because I'm objectively questioning you for making such associations?

(And before anyone says something, don't be so daft to think I'm questioning why you like women.)

It's not as if you go to another country and wave that particular nation's flag that women, booze, bbq, and fireworks all of a sudden becomes unavailable to you. Such things are available in every country, even 3rd world countries. There might be an issue of convenience, but not when you compare like to like.

Your straw men are killing me, but I'll address them anyway. Since when is it a rule that you can only celebrate things that other people don't have? You're also confusing what we're celebrating about with how we're celebrating it.

So, why are you waving that flag around?

Honestly, I think you may never understand. And for that I feel sorry for you.

[D1st0rt]

Please go read a book! Holy fucking shit!

brilliant retort, captain comeback! thought I must congratulate you as this seems to be the only part that actually got through to you

I subscribe to anarcho-capitalism. How the fuck do you liken that to Hitler? That's like going to a baseball game and asking where the football is. You're not even in the same fucking field!

I figured I'd have to walk you through this one. Thankfully at least Jerome got it. You go around to a bunch of threads saying "STATISTS ARE THE PROBLEM" much like Hitler went around Germany saying "JEWS ARE THE PROBLEM". Hijacking discussions to spout your tangentially related rehetoric? Congratulations on taking that one right out of the statist playbook! You should probably stick to that though because your analogies are awful :|

What the fuck are you "patriotic" about?

my country, thats what patriotism is if you were previously unaware

You sound like a damn parrot. One who is obviously lost in his cage because the title of your thread is "USA USA USA!"

I would have more respect for someone who says, "I like 4th of July because of the fireworks."

Do you respect people that say "I like Easter because of the candy"? While that's all well and good, if it's what you're focusing on you missed the point completely. I don't care what I sound like to you or if you respect me because I don't even think you understand what I'm trying to get at here.

[paradise!]

Being proud to be American is like a tall guy being proud of his height. He didn't work for it.

are you serious?

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you spend all this time waxing poetic about individualism and freedom, and yet any expressions of individualism which do not size up to your logical conclusions is rendered nonsense. a little less ayn rand & glenn beck, a little more murray rothbard & frederic bastiat, please!

I only wish I would see more individualism in this country. Too many people that have to be on this or that side of a spectrum. Nobody can think for themselves anymore.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Being proud to be American is like a tall guy being proud of his height. He didn't work for it.

In other words, being born on these lands is nothing to be proud of because you didn't accomplish a damn thing. If you were born in another country and went through their public school indoctrination process, you'd be prone to their nationalism.

If an immigrant boast such claims, then his/her pride has to do with the adversity he/she overcame to move to another country. It has nothing to do with the country he/she decided to move to. In other words, a person can move to any country in the world and still experience the same pride. So, specific geographical location has nothing to do with one's pride. So, being proud of your specific geographical location is just nonsense.

People are just going through the motions like a mouse that gets excited when the bell rings because it means food.

4th of July relates to beautiful women in bikinis, BBQ, fireworks, and alcohol (even on Sunday) -- which are all fun to be around and experience. But, it's not limited to America.

I mean, are you saying you're proud that you can gorge yourself with hotdogs and alcohol? Because, needless to say, taking pleasure in food and getting drunk is something everyone can experience anywhere in the world. You don't go and say, "I'm proud to be at this baseball game because I can get hotdogs and beer." Or, "I'm proud to be an Astros fan because I get hotdogs and beer."


Bottom line here, being American doesn't grant you special abilities that allows you to experience women, booze, bbq, and fireworks.

So, why is that association constantly being made here as if it's limited to this country alone? And why is everyone getting all pissed off because I'm objectively questioning you for making such associations?

(And before anyone says something, don't be so daft to think I'm questioning why you like women.)

It's not as if you go to another country and wave that particular nation's flag that women, booze, bbq, and fireworks all of a sudden becomes unavailable to you. Such things are available in every country, even 3rd world countries. There might be an issue of convenience, but not when you compare like to like.


So, why are you waving that flag around?

one thing that makes me sad when dealing with anarcho-capitalists is the ironic ignorance of the human condition. you spend all this time waxing poetic about individualism and freedom, and yet any expressions of individualism which do not size up to your logical conclusions is rendered nonsense. a little less ayn rand & glenn beck, a little more murray rothbard & frederic bastiat, please!

the american revolution was a brilliant experiment. it was a first. it was the first time that the state was rejected as an eternal leviathan and made way for the brilliant thinkers who could, for the first time, envision society and the state as two different things and make a case for the individual's ultimate sovereignty. they may have ultimately designed a flawed system, but it was a valiant attempt and the one thing they did preserve is the streak of individuality and love of liberty that still has an impact today.

you shouldn't tell someone from the South that being proud of one's geographic location is nonsense. well really, you shouldn't tell anyone that, because it is nonsense. being proud of some abstract notion like our federal government is nonsense, but being proud of your culture, your city, your state - it's all part of being human. it's what makes your magic anarcho-capitalist society work.

[Zeebu]

some of those seem like pretty loaded statements, but if some others are true that is unfortunate.

[Vatican Assassin]

50 facts about america

Just saw this, sort of shows where we're at.

#50) A new report released by the United Nations is publicly calling for the establishment of a world currency and none of the major news networks are even covering it.

#49) Arnold Schwarzenegger has ordered California State Controller John Chiang to reduce state worker pay for July to the federal minimum allowed by law -- $7.25 an hour for most state workers.

#48) A police officer in Oklahoma recently tasered an 86-year-old disabled grandma in her bed and stepped on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe because they considered her to be a "threat".

#47) In early 2009, U.S. net national savings as a percentage of GDP went negative for the first time since 1952, and it has continued its downward trend since then.

#46) Corexit 9500 is so incredibly toxic that the UK's Marine Management Organization has completely banned it, so if there was a major oil spill in the North Sea, BP would not be able to use it. And yet BP has dumped over a million gallons of dispersants such as Corexit 9500 into the Gulf of Mexico.

#45) For the first time in U.S. history, more than 40 million Americans are on food stamps, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011.

#44) It has come out that one employee used a Federal Emergency Management Agency credit card to buy $4,318 in "Happy Birthday" gift cards. Two other FEMA officials charged the cost of 360 golf umbrellas ($9,000) to the taxpayers.

#43) Researchers at the State University of New York at Buffalo received $389,000 from the U.S. government to pay 100 residents of Buffalo $45 each to record how much malt liquor they drink and how much pot they smoke each day.

#42) The average duration of unemployment in the United States has risen to an all-time high.

#41) The bottom 40 percent of all income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.

#40) In the U.S., the average federal worker now earns about twice as much as the average worker in the private sector.

#39) Back in 1950 each retiree's Social Security benefit was paid for by 16 workers. Today, each retiree's Social Security benefit is paid for by approximately 3.3 workers. By 2025 it is projected that there will be approximately two workers for each retiree.

#38) According to a U.S. Treasury Department report to Congress, the U.S. national debt will top $13.6 trillion this year and climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015.

#37) The federal government actually has the gall to ask for online donations that will supposedly go towards paying off the national debt.

#36) The Cactus Bug Project at the University Of Florida was allocated $325,394 in economic stimulus funds to study the mating decisions of cactus bugs.

#35) A dinner cruise company in Chicago got nearly $1 million in economic stimulus funds to combat terrorism.

#34) It is being reported that a 6-year-old girl from Ohio is on the "no fly" list maintained by U.S. Homeland Security.

#33) During the first quarter of 2010, the total number of loans that are at least three months past due in the United States increased for the 16th consecutive quarter.

#32) According to a new report, Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality and far less efficiency.

#31) Some experts are warning that the cost of bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could reach as high as $1 trillion.

#30) The FDA has announced that the offspring of cloned animals could be in our food supply right now and that there is nothing that they can do about it.

#29) In May, sales of new homes in the United States dropped to the lowest level ever recorded.

#27) Federal border officials recently said that Mexican drug cartels have not only set up shop on American soil, they are actually maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona.

#28) In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has ranged between 300 to 500 to one.

#26) The U.S. government has declared some parts of Arizona off limits to U.S. citizens because of the threat of violence from Mexican drug smugglers.

#25) According to the credit card repayment calculator, if you owe $6000 on a credit card with a 20 percent interest rate and only pay the minimum payment each time, it will take you 54 years to pay off that credit card. During those 54 years you will pay $26,168 in interest rate charges in addition to the $6000 in principal that you are required to pay back.

#24) According to prepared testimony by Goldman Sachs Chief Operating Officer Gary Cohn, Goldman Sachs shorted roughly $615 million of the collateralized debt obligations and residential mortgage-backed securities the firm underwrote since late 2006.

#23) The six biggest banks in the United States now possess assets equivalent to 60 percent of America's gross national product.

#22) Four of the biggest U.S. banks (Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup) had a "perfect quarter" with zero days of trading losses during the first quarter of 2010.

#21) 1.41 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009 - a 32 percent increase over 2008.

#20) BP has hired private security contractors to keep the American people away from oil cleanup sites and nobody seems to care.

#19) Barack Obama is calling for a "civilian expeditionary force" to be sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to help overburdened military troops build infrastructure.

#18) On June 18th, two Christians decided that they would peacefully pass out copies of the gospel of John on a public sidewalk outside a public Arab festival in Dearborn, Michigan and within 3 minutes 8 policemen surrounded them and placed them under arrest.

#17) It is being reported that sales of foreclosed homes in Florida made up nearly 40 percent of all home purchases in the first part of this year.

#16) During a recent interview with Larry King, former first lady Laura Bush revealed to the world that she is actually in favor of legalized gay marriage and a woman's "right" to abortion.

#15) Scientists at Columbia University are warning that the dose of radiation from the new full body security scanners going into airports all over the United States could be up to 20 times higher than originally estimated.

#14) 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved for retirement.

#13) The FDIC's deposit insurance fund now has negative 20.7 billion dollars in it, which represents a slight improvement from the end of 2009.

#12) The judge that BP is pushing for to hear an estimated 200 lawsuits on the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster gets tens of thousands of dollars a year in oil royalties and is paid travel expenses to industry conferences.

#11) In recent years the U.S. government has spent $2.6 million tax dollars to study the drinking habits of Chinese prostitutes and $400,000 tax dollars to pay researchers to cruise six bars in Buenos Aires, Argentina to find out why gay men engage in risky sexual behavior when drunk.

#10) U.S. officials say that more than three billion dollars in cash (much of it aid money paid for by U.S. taxpayers) has been stolen by corrupt officials in Afghanistan and flown out of Kabul International Airport in recent years.

#9) According to a report by the U.S. Department of Transportation's Bureau of Transportation Statistics, the baggage check fees collected by U.S. airlines shot up 33% in the first quarter of 2010 to $769 million.

#8) Three California high school students are fighting for their right to show their American patriotism - even on a Mexican holiday - after they were forced to remove their American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo.

#7) Right now, interest on the U.S. national debt and spending on entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare are somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 to 15 percent of GDP. By 2080, they are projected to eat up approximately 50 percent of GDP.

#6) The total of all government, corporate and consumer debt in the United States is now about 360 percent of GDP.

#5) A 6-year-old girl was recently handcuffed and sent to a mental facility after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.

#4) In Florida, students have been arrested by police for things as simple as bringing a plastic butter knife to school, throwing an eraser, and drawing a picture of a gun.

#3) School officials in one town in Massachusetts are refusing to allow students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

#2) According to one new study, approximately 21 percent of children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010.

#1) Since 1973, more than 50 million babies have been murdered in abortion facilities across the United States.

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July 4th and Michael Steele, RNC Leader and probably one of the biggest overpaid idiots abusing the powers he has with the RNC, while at the same time pushing his new book so he can make millions more while he should be concentrating on his actual job.

Just another reason why if you are a registered Democrat or Republican, then basically you are an idiot for following along party lines and taking the bullshit spewed as if it is the gospel from either party.

I am so glad to be an Independent in the US and not swayed or hypnotized to vote only in favor of what a specific political party TELLS everyone to vote for. The USA...a country of mindless lemming idiots that couldn't vote their own mind if it came down to deciding what to eat for breakfast. Happy 4th to a nation made up of polarized idiots!

Arizona Sen. John McCain is the latest Republican to criticize National Republican Committee Chairman Michael Steele's comments about President Barack Obama and the war in Afghanistan.

Steele says that the conflict is not winnable and a war of Obama’s choosing; but the New York Times reported he “misstated the history of the conflict, which President George W. Bush started nine years ago in response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.”

Odd that this idiot Michael Steele was in favor of the war only 3 years ago? Was even quoted saying that "Afghanistan is the battle to end terrorism and an effort to eliminate the Taliban and Al Qaeda", as he lambasted the Dem's for wanting to pull out and set a deadline. Does this guy really represent the GOP?

Senator Lindsey Graham did make a nice comment though:

"the good news is Michael Steele is backtracking so fast he's going to be in Kabul fighting here pretty soon."

Happy Birthday USA. You are being run by criminals and bullshit political parties with their own personal agenda to "Make only themselves rich". Doesn't matter what party you "blindly" follow

I had a pleasant holiday though...anyone else?

[Jones]

http://www.aplutaplu.com/jokes/Ameri..._stupid___.php

old but relevant

[Tigron-X]

Being proud to be American is like a tall guy being proud of his height. He didn't work for it.

In other words, being born on these lands is nothing to be proud of because you didn't accomplish a damn thing. If you were born in another country and went through their public school indoctrination process, you'd be prone to their nationalism.

If an immigrant boast such claims, then his/her pride has to do with the adversity he/she overcame to move to another country. It has nothing to do with the country he/she decided to move to. In other words, a person can move to any country in the world and still experience the same pride. So, specific geographical location has nothing to do with one's pride. So, being proud of your specific geographical location is just nonsense.

People are just going through the motions like a mouse that gets excited when the bell rings because it means food.

4th of July relates to beautiful women in bikinis, BBQ, fireworks, and alcohol (even on Sunday) -- which are all fun to be around and experience. But, it's not limited to America.

I mean, are you saying you're proud that you can gorge yourself with hotdogs and alcohol? Because, needless to say, taking pleasure in food and getting drunk is something everyone can experience anywhere in the world. You don't go and say, "I'm proud to be at this baseball game because I can get hotdogs and beer." Or, "I'm proud to be an Astros fan because I get hotdogs and beer."


Bottom line here, being American doesn't grant you special abilities that allows you to experience women, booze, bbq, and fireworks.

So, why is that association constantly being made here as if it's limited to this country alone? And why is everyone getting all pissed off because I'm objectively questioning you for making such associations?

(And before anyone says something, don't be so daft to think I'm questioning why you like women.)

It's not as if you go to another country and wave that particular nation's flag that women, booze, bbq, and fireworks all of a sudden becomes unavailable to you. Such things are available in every country, even 3rd world countries. There might be an issue of convenience, but not when you compare like to like.


So, why are you waving that flag around?

[sixtoo]

I'm not from America and I still love her! That picture I just found funny not making fun

Shame on any foreigner living in another country and not flying its flag alongside your own countries flag!

[Jerome Scuggs]

Please go read a book! Holy fucking shit!

I subscribe to anarcho-capitalism. How the fuck do you liken that to Hitler? That's like going to a baseball game and asking where the football is. You're not even in the same fucking field!

What the fuck are you "patriotic" about?

You sound like a damn parrot. One who is obviously lost in his cage because the title of your thread is "USA USA USA!"

I would have more respect for someone who says, "I like 4th of July because of the fireworks."

like it or not, we do live in america. we do participate in the various webs of networks of people that constitute this geographic location. and of course, individuals being individuals, there are many reasons for people to feel proud of their country. i probably would have made a thread had d1s not made it. july 4th is more (or less) than just some affirmation of the state, it depends on how or why you observe it. and that is why d1s likened you to hitler. because you took whatever reasons, however valid they were, that d1s had in making this thread and sort of pushed that aside for whatever thing you envisioned in your mind to hate.

i mean seriously dude. hot dogs and explosives and a blind eye to alcohol laws (we bought LIQUOR on a SUNDAY ffs), fuck yes the U-S-A!!!!