Whats up faggots.

[Dierienow]

Whether healthy, sick, rich or poor, I will always support free health care. You, on the other hand, would have a different view if you were poor and sick, well-off and really sick, well-off and not sick, etc. A different viewpoint for every scenario. What kind of values are those where you change them depending on the circumstance? One bad move at a previous job and you'd be on disability, smoking weed (more likely taking opioids cause marijuana is far too dangerous), and $300k in debt. Your wife leaves you because you lost your job (and you tied your manhood to your job) and she needs a man so. Are you saying in that circumstance (which is entirely possible from a single accident at any one of your previous jobs - even a random illness that could hit you or anyone) you're still going to be posting on here about the evils of socialized medical care? Or do you only concern yourself with the evils of socialism when you're healthy, have access to roads, the internet, etc.? Please take a fucking seat.

[kthx]

Roads are socialism, long term disability isn't a thing take a fucking seat? Jesus Jerome you want people like this to go to college on your dime. These kids are fucking retarded nowadays.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Or better yet, told them how much the drivers at Fedex get paid and helped them get into company-paid driver helper positions to start learning the driving trade so they could make more money.

lol fedex ground uses a contractor model which means they don't oversee things like pay and benefits, it's literally up to the contractors to determine how to pay the drivers, and alot of these contractors suck

those hippies in california sued and won the right to actually be employees http://parcelindustry.com/article-43...ntractors.html

there's alot of problems with management at fedex and i know it's not a local problem because upper management tends to be rotated in from other stations all over the country, and while this is the only experience i have working for an international corporation, i can't imagine it's the only one where there is a very real profit motive for management to do shady and sketchy shit all the time. it's almost like regardless of whether or not a group of people calls themselves a government or a shareholder's group, as long as they're allowed to consolidate power or capital with no limit or accountability, bad shit happens.

power & capital are deeply intertwined and if you think we can muzzle or limit government power without muzzling or limiting the obscene amount of wealth being poured into the companies that stand to benefit from that expanded government power, you're just going to run in circles. if you think change is bad but you don't think our current system is ideal, that seems really sort of self-defeating and nihilist. our government was designed to change and evolve, and the assumption amongst the founding fathers was that while they designed the ideal government for their time and place, they acknowledged they were relatively young and naive and that, and now im basically paraphrasing jefferson here, future generations shouldn't have to be forced to wear a coat made for their great-great-grandfather.

so idk man i see your entire ideological stance just really self-defeating, i understand what you want and i even agree with what you want but i think you're completely off the mark when it comes to the problems we face and how to deal with them. it's hard to take you seriously when you claim to want to "bring us back" to what the forefathers intended, when what the forefathers intended was for us to never go back.

like a point of pride as an american is that we were the first badasses to really throw off the yolk of oppression or whatever and make it stick, the first people to really reject kings and monarchy for good. and you claim to take pride in how innovative and awesome we are, but then like, your balls shrivel up at the mention of a potentially daunting, if not revolutionary, task like "building a better healthcare system". i dunno man, i like to think we're capable of doing awesome shit. apparently this makes me an antifa terrorist

[Jerome Scuggs]

like, if your sole argument for why we can't do healthcare reform is "europeans cant do it", it says alot about what you really think americans are capable of. like, the euros tried, and it didn't turn out perfect, therefore why should we even try cuz there's no way we could do better.

[kthx]

And your idea is to change our entire countries ideology for it lol? I like my healthcare

[Jessup]

Can we please stop giving this idiot Kthx and his pathetic thread the time of day? He is useless and wrong about everything. The comedy value died like 10 pages ago sigh......

[Dierienow]

This isn't related to the current topic but my current roommate is from one of the "shithole" countries (Syria).

My roommates of the past year (3 in total) were all local. One of them was Korean but he lived the majority of his life here and his parents were millionaires or something. The millionaire comment was one of the first things he mentioned to me so you can imagine what sort of insufferable prick he was. Always had people over until 6am, never used headphones, cooked with some rancid ass shit, etc.

The other two were white trash as hell. The first were a couple expecting a baby soon. Idiot me thought I'd help some people down on their luck and offer them a place to stay. Of course their whole lives were a monumental drama of the most epic proportions, fueled by a level of stupidity you couldn't even imagine. The girl was 16 and the guy was 25. They wouldn't pay the rent because, "Dude, we have a BABY coming." But they could buy new $250 vapes which is basically what they owed me. Both of them are white.

The last and most recent roommate is a former crack addict and panhandler of 10 years. I didn't know that when he moved in and I didn't care when he said it. But really living with this guy is hell, even the people before, in ways that could only ever be understated here. The turning point was when he wanted to quit his job and needed to use my phone. When I told him he can't, and if he wanted to quit his job for the reasons he described he could at least walk across the street and make an ass of himself there. Well, not letting him use my phone set off his rage and he threatened me, not the first time either. The same day my locks were changed. Like I said nothing can give full perspective of how egotistic and stupid these people were but alas this guy was white as well.

Now I have Syrian roommate. He is a great roommate I think. He is polite, a neat freak, kind of quirky. I think his family back home is wealthy or educated, as he mentioned his brudda is a GP in the states. He is studying civil engineering at a master's level.

Actually he kind of reminds me of Borat. He is very new to western life. The room I rent out is actually really big for the price, and so he was impressed that the entire room was his lol. And he's just a goofy, normal guy who is nothing you'd expect him to be from description alone. Of course he is lucky to meet me, as well, since I wouldn't take advantage of someone like that as many others would.

I guess my point is that if I tried to label people beforehand and used country of origin as a deciding factor, I would only have shitty roommates for the past year. Yet, the guy from a 'shithole country' exceeded every expectation and we get along great.

I see wealth, overall prosperity (health, education, access to utilities) and upbringing as the key factors determining if someone is a 'good' person. So why is it such a 'good' guy like Trump wants to universally ban immigrants from certain countries, destroy public education (without rebuilding it), take your wealth and funnel it to the upper echelons of society, and teach your children that there are shithole countries instead of assholes for people. Not really understanding that train of logic but I'm sure everything Trump says is meticulously planned, the highly stable genius that he is.

Tl;cr: if I used my past experiences as a barometer for which races I should hate, I end up hating myself lol. Go racism!

[Voth]

this is my own experience. on top of that my mother has been a social worker for 30 years, and my father has been a probation officer for 30 years. if you'd like, i could regale you with tales from their own experiences: dealing with people trapped in a shitty system, a vast majority of them through little to no fault of their own.

sorry, but no one that has a probation officer is there "through little to no fault of their own." they broke the law and probably got a giant break on what their jail and/or prison sentence could be with reductions and a probation sentence. those idiots were given second chances to not fuck up; definitely not victims of an unfair and "shitty" system. follow basic rule of law and common sense, and i bet that the majority of us could stay off of probation supervision!

[Voth]

bottom line:

instead of the mentality that people deserve this, or deserve that, for free (and by free, i mean taxpayer money), people should have a mentality that they will work HARD for what they need. people need to want to advance and make steps that make sense in this direction, even if it means sacrifice of time and money.

of course, there are needy people out there who need help. and that is perfectly fine. but drawing a hard line that "everyone gets this" while only a portion of the population actually works to provide those services? that's asinine, and not America at all.

[Jessup]

sorry, but no one that has a probation officer is there "through little to no fault of their own." they broke the law and probably got a giant break on what their jail and/or prison sentence could be with reductions and a probation sentence. those idiots were given second chances to not fuck up; definitely not victims of an unfair and "shitty" system. follow basic rule of law and common sense, and i bet that the majority of us could stay off of probation supervision!

You are one naive kid. Having grown up close to the streets of Washington DC and Baltimore I've seen this stuff first hand many times. It has been going on nationwide for decades and involves 10's of thousands of cases.

Not to mention the war on drugs is a bogus war on people. You right wingers who scream for liberty should ALL be against the war on drugs.

[kthx]

I am against the war on drugs and I'm not a huge sessions fan although he has thankfully been arresting pedophiles at a very high rate. Of someone works and does drugs without damaging anyone else but themselves itsnobodies business until it affects others negatively.

[kthx]

Also I am always right about everything. My threads are always the best because of who I am. You are some faggots boygirl who was terrible and stayed on paladen for years and had a mental breakdown because if your soy intake. You started out not know what sex you are even though its a scientific fact that men have a penis not women and now resort to trying to be edgy and talking to people who are leagues smarter than you about subjects that are beyond your grasp due to your limitations. This is the best thread on these forums since the last one I made.

[Voth]

You are one naive kid. Having grown up close to the streets of Washington DC and Baltimore I've seen this stuff first hand many times. It has been going on nationwide for decades and involves 10's of thousands of cases.

Not to mention the war on drugs is a bogus war on people. You right wingers who scream for liberty should ALL be against the war on drugs.

i don't understand the "naive kid" dig, jessup. if you want to go down that road, i'll just call you a "confused mongoloid" from now on. i don't think name-calling is the way to go about this, but you're certainly at a disadvantage here.

you say you grew up next to all this stuff yet stop before explaining anything. what exactly did you grow up next to? what do you propose is a solution to that mystery? is it feasible and fair to those who are footing the bill for those "solutions"?

[Voth]

let me expand a bit on that.

at what point does me using "i need help" or "i have a problem" become complete reliance on the system?

let me be very clear: i am 100% for people who actually REQUIRE help, receiving that help.

however, we need better oversight to ensure that "i need help" isn't an excuse that echoes on for years or decades and costs taxpayers unthinkable amounts of money. at some point, people need to be expected to take responsibility for their own life, their own health, and their own prosperity.

[Jerome Scuggs]

sorry, but no one that has a probation officer is there "through little to no fault of their own." they broke the law and probably got a giant break on what their jail and/or prison sentence could be with reductions and a probation sentence. those idiots were given second chances to not fuck up; definitely not victims of an unfair and "shitty" system. follow basic rule of law and common sense, and i bet that the majority of us could stay off of probation supervision!

okay, so as of right now the government has zero (0) laws which unfairly punish people or lead to cycles of debt and prison? if that's the case wtf are you conservatives bitching about