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[HeavenSent]

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn:3:19-20

Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jn:8:42-44

He that has my commandments, and keeps them, it is he that loves me: and he that loves me will be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jn:14:21

Got Jesus!?

[DoTheFandango]

HeavenSent, You just made me hate religion, thanks!

[ÆNIMA]

Originally posted by Cops


ps. Aenima aren't you supouse to be in Russia?

Didn't I tell you I was leaving on the 11th?

AE: "You read my post."
Cops: "Yeah, but I don't remember everything I read."
AE: "Oh, well I leave on the 11th."

[ÆNIMA]

Originally posted by apt
it's just pieces of paper depicting the past and we are led to believe it.

Isn't that basically what history is?

apt, have you ever gotten on your knees and asked with your heart whether all this religion business was true? and if it was...just how much of it? yes? no answer? were you listening? were youin the right mindset for such an occasion?

If you haven't tried it...i suggest you do, then form your own opinions and beliefs...in fact, do the same with all the other religions, it's no big deal though if you don't...unless one of them's right.

I did, I got my answer, and I'm not going to try and tell you that it's right...you have to find out for yourself. And usually, when you find someone who has found out for themselves...it's futile to try and change their mind. And I realize the same in the opposite.

[DoTheFandango]

AENIMA, didn't we get history wrong at first too?

[apt]

The majority of this history we know of now, is wrong. It's like a giant game of pass and tell, by the time that last recipient gets it, it's completely wrong.

Aenima: There is no right, religion is just a group of people who put their ideas together and decided to spread it around the world. By dedicating yourself to a religion, you're just part of something MAN created. Not something an omnipotent being created. There is Nothing, there is no right or wrong. There is no better grass on the other side. Everything is what it is.

[ÆNIMA]

Prove it.

Don't say "you prove it" because that's where the argument ends. You can't prove it, I can't prove it...leave it alone.

[Verthanthi]

Not to mention that is logically impossible to disprove the existance of an omnicient being.

[Bioture]

Originally posted by ÆNIMA
Prove it.

Do yourself and everyone in Russia a favor by not going. Because honestly, you're there to spread the faith right? You're there to TRY to PROVE to people that the Christian God DOES exist, not the other way around.

http://www.truthawakens.com/provinggodexists.asp

edit: and don't give me that bullshit about how you just present the mere "facts" and then allow the people to decide, thats just saying the same shit, but it sounds less offensive.

[HeavenSent]

Apt

Originally posted by HeavenSent
You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

How's your dad been doing lately Apt?

[abrasion]

If i cant see it, feel it, smell it, taste it, hear it, or have physical proof that someone else already has, then it "didnt happen/isnt there."

[syzygy]

Originally posted by abrasion
If i cant see it, feel it, smell it, taste it, hear it, or have physical proof that someone else already has, then it "didnt happen/isnt there."

can't see oxygen, can't feel it; it has no odor, nor taste; it doesn't make a sound..then oxygen must not exist. but, if there's no oxygen, we all must be dead. what's up with that?

apt, how does the idea that God doesn't exist make both right and wrong nonexistent? saying there is no right or wrong is like denying a law of physics.

bioture, there's a difference between people to whom we minister who don't know God and people like apt, who simply reject Him and religions altogether.

[Troll King]

When talking about matters of religion, you're dealing with faith. Critics of religion often choose to look for proof and evidence and logic. Logic and faith do not often mix, and so long as you only speak and think in just one of those two "langauges" neither party will listen to the other.

[Mr. Peanuts]

well according to multiple religious resources, the great reckoning where jesus will come back and judge everyone shall be in 2006.

why dont we just postpone this argument until then?

[ÆNIMA]

Actually no one knows except the Father, not the Son...not the angels in heaven. It could be in 2006, but then again...it could be 5 minutes from when you read this.

If even the angels don't know, man surely doesn't.