Fix Elim??

[Randedl]

I know metalkid will agree with me at least. . .

If you all haven't noticed over the last few months (or years?) elim has sorta kinda totally lost the attention of staff in terms of promoting and maintaining it.

Ignoring the promoting part (elims to 20, etc), there are a few issues involving the technical parts of the arena that I think need to be fixed.

The most obvious is that the website links to the top 100 and results of recent games is not being updated (as it was automatically in the past). I don't know why this is, and I'm under the assumption that it does take a bit of effort to fix the actual Robo Ref. . . So maybe it's time for a new bot? I don't think this would be too difficult??

Next, and my biggest pet peeve, is that the the rating formula is set at kills/deaths * 300. This 300 is a set constant now. In the past it was kills/deaths * ave. This was changed when people discovered that they could cheat the system and have an insanely high average. Easy way to fix this is not to lock the ave at 300 but to put a cap on it at say, 600. Aves maxed out at about 430 when the old system was in place, this should be more than enough. This is to reward people who kill higher rated players on a regular basis.

I think that's it. Feel free to add.

PS. If you don't like elim, that's fine. Some people do and this would be a way to help them enjoy it.

[duel pasta]

I used to play elim alot, took a little break. But now started to play it again. BTW: how does average work ? I never understood how you calculate it. But your right. I never went to the website, didn't even know elim had a website.

I AGREE WITH YOUR RANDEDL

[Asmodeus]

I'm still on the whole spawning thing being a problem, but that will never be solved for some think it's a part of the game and yadda yadda. Anyway, it never really ocurred to me that I could possibly host an elim to 20 in ?go elim. I'll try that sometime once Finals are over and done with. Then again, I can only imagine all the complaints I'd get for distrupting the natural flow of elim. As far as the website not being updated, I have no clue what happened there. I figured it was some kind of RoboKing problem. And I have no say as to how the ratings are calculated...I'm not even sure who I'd talk to about that. Obviously the higher ups...still though.

Edit: I think this should have gone in the Staff Forum...but that's just me.

[Jones]

I would like to see the website updated. Also having a kills/deaths * ave would be much better but the limit shouldnt be as high as 600, maybe 500 or 450 imo. As far as the changing the bots would go... Robo has been much more stable than the other bots so I dont know if we should get a new one there.

[duel pasta]

Roboking shouldn't be replaced.

[Cumulonimbus]

Okay, seeing as people still don't seem to understand, I'll explain how this is different to unknown and why it needs to be fixed (and how I think it should be fixed).

Elim Rating = kills/deaths * ave

ave = average rating of all people you kill

So to boost your elim rating you can either go for a big ratio of kills to deaths (i.e. Unknown's 100-0 rec) or a big ave. in either case, it'd be pretty hard to get ranked, 500 kills and no deaths would take too long, and feeding 500 kills off of high ranked accounts would also take a long time. However, if you feed a small number of kills from an account which has a superhigh rating (we're talking hundereds of thousands here), the average rating of people you kill will rise significantly enough to affect your rating, even if you have 500 kills + deaths (ranking criteria for those of you who weren't aware).

So the trick is building an account with a really high rating (the number of kills+deaths is irrelevant, and that's the weakness of the elim ranking system). If you go 5-0 say, you get a rating of ~1500. you have a really big +-, but I never did figure out what difference it made anwyay. Kill this account 5 times with another account, and the new account has ave 1500, ratio 5:1 (at least I think that's what robo treats it as) and rating 7500. Etc Etc Etc.

Obviously this can be pulled off by anyone with enough spare accounts. You can follow back the trail of acocunts using the elim webpage easily enough.

Robo Ref> No.1 Rating: 17639(+-97) Wins:6 Games:35 Kills:371 Deaths:146 Ave:6988

This was my rating with the old system with no cap set for averages...what would have been interesting though is if I killed another 5 or 6 accounts with 5-0, the rating/average would have skyrocketted through the high integer limit and into minus numbers...that really would have screwed elim because then everyone who would have killed me would have a negative rating as well and so on and so on. Unfortunately they fixed the bot before I could implement it.

I think that 300 is probably a fine number to cap it at though and I cant see the leaderboard changing much if it was at 600, it wouldnt affect your rating that much either seeming as my rating was 17000 when I had a 7000 average

[Sleepy Weasel]

It's not capped at 300 though, it's set at 300. At least according to Randedl. It shouldn't be set the same for everyone, it should be based on rating just capped as Rand said, so people don't exploit it. Makes sense to me.

I was under the impression that only Priitk can make changes to the elim bot, which is why they never update it.

[Pure_Luck]

You are correct. Though rand's idea of a new bot doesn't sound bad at all. Could run it in elim2 or something to test.

[wadi]

Hey, this sounds like something TW Staff might want to read.

Topic Moved to TW Staff

[King Baba]

Elims nothing more than a pub that you need 36 hours to play in. It used to require a degree of skill and used to be fun, but now.. well, I stick by my 36 hour pub theory.

And can we please put perma-blueout in elim too? People talk too much. :fear:

[Sumpson]

Would be fun if the bot *kicks out a player after saying "ez" "newbie" "die"

[WiseCherub]

Yeah, I noticed the elim bot not updating around jan-feb and thought it would be fixed soon. Thanks Randedl for posting this.

If they change the elim-bot, I was wondering if this may be considered to be changed; Shouldn't WINS influence Rating alittle, I mean the main point of ELIM is to WIN/survive.

Anyhow, I look forward to any changes to elim. Thanks.

[PrOnEsSim]

I hate Elim.. TO many newbie people(i am talking about like 7 weeks into this game) think there vet, elite.. i just dont like it anymore i got sick of it and stop trying in ?go elim. To get back on the topic, I agree with Randedl.

[Kyace]

Yeah, I noticed the elim bot not updating around jan-feb and thought it would be fixed soon. Thanks Randedl for posting this.

If they change the elim-bot, I was wondering if this may be considered to be changed; Shouldn't WINS influence Rating alittle, I mean the main point of ELIM is to WIN/survive.

Anyhow, I look forward to any changes to elim. Thanks.

The problem is how to make a win in a 30 warbird to 10 death count differently than a 3 levi to 3 death.

[Awesome]

And can we please put perma-blueout in elim too? People talk too much. :fear:

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