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  • Dear Trench Wars Community,

    Dear TW Community,

    I know we haven't talked much, but I think its about time we had a little chat. I'm Apocalypse WOW! and a lot of you probably don't know me and that's ok because I probably don't know you either. Now judging by the rest of the threads in these forums, I expect half you to not actually take me seriously - which is also ok because I'm venting my frustrations about a little online internet game which may or may not be a serious endeavor at all. But then again, you're all looking at these forums so I reckon you must be sort of interested in this game.

    I've been a happy pubber since '00 under various names and a fairly dedicated baser since last year -- all in all I think I kind of fit into the TW "average joe" player and community category. I was on TeKs, which was nice for me because I made a lot of friends on it but I'm sure most of you don't really care, which is ok because I don't really care what squad you're on or have been on either. I think its fair to say that I've got a good handle on this game and a lot of the players in it.

    TW Community, I'm getting frustrated with you. I'm not frustrated with the ship settings or the tile sets or how TWD or leagues and things are set up. I'm not frustrated that I was on a squad that didn't win a lot, but didn't lose a lot either. I'm not frustrated with the way mods host events. Really I think its rather nice that some people have taken their time to make such an enjoyable little game free. No I'm not frustrated with these things, TW Community, I'm frustrated with you.

    I'm sure every once in a while I'm sure one of these threads pops up, but I feel that its my duty as an average joe TW Community member to say my piece. TW Community, the things you are doing are making me not want to play this game that I enjoy anymore. Recently there's been a lot of talk about doing things to help increase TW population and a neat proposal system has been introduced to help innovation. I think this is great, but I think you guys are missing the forest for the trees when it comes to solving TW's problems.

    When I randomly play in pub, its usually a fair bet that if I get shot, somebody's going to say "ez" or something like that. Its also usually a fair bet that I'm playing on a team with 10 of the best javs to ever have graced this game with their holy presence - except for the 10 javs on the other team who could surely "pwn" God Himself should He decide to pub it hardcore - but whatever. The amount of trash talk and insults exchanged in pub are staggering. The amount of civility between players tends towards nonexistance.

    Now, I don't pub much anymore since I discovered real basing in ?go base, where usually only 1 of those best javs ever gets to grace each team. I'm not much of a jav or wb player so I don't really do those elim arenas - but they're all veritable meeting places for TWD squad players and the principle is the same - more challenging gameplay.

    I've become something of a regular shark in ?go base, which seems to be largely regarded as the equivalent of a janitor who pushes things around a lot. Thats ok because believe it or not, I enjoy playing that big fat ship because I think it takes a degree of skill that most players don't realize. I like my ship because it is much more than counting to 4 and pressing "shift control" a lot, I'm in a "helping" ship that sometimes gets to make stuff blow up which is always cool, but I digress.

    As a regular shark, it is rare that a game goes by where I don't get told "omg rep" or "SHARKS WTF!!?!?" even when it clearly isn't my fault. Without fail, a shark will be yelled at or insulted for single mistakes, also without fail, a well sharked game is rarely acknowledged and is taken for granted. If other ships make errors, they don't generally get called out on it, unless the spiders as a whole are sucking big time, the jav is tking, or the terr is spinning around or whatever. Civility is not a priority between players at these moments I've noticed. As a shark, nothing less than perfection is demanded, and even the best of us make mistakes - I try to own up to mine as much as possible, which I think is a good lesson for life in general.

    Sometimes when I'm captaining for base, I'll want to put players into spiders, because spiders are important when you want to win a basing match. Often I find myself in the presence of the most ultimately awesome javelin players ever who absolutely refuse to not play their most awesome javelins or whatever. Heaven forbid I sub you out for refusing to spid, I don't tend to take orders very well from little lines of internet text. These players also tend to have very nimble fingers, and tend to be in the squads that win lots of their matches.

    Now let me be clear: I'm not saying that I should never refuse to shark, because sharking all the time does get tiring. I'm not saying that a regular player of some sort of ship should have to be that ship in base. I'm not saying that a lot of those players with really nimble fingers should have to play with people who have not as nimble fingers in their go base scrimmages. I'm saying that if you would not like to be a sort of ship you should ask the captain politely and not demand it because you've won OMG THIS MANY TWL TITLES. I'm saying I have noticed something along the lines of rampant and arrogant elitism and a complete lack of civility for many of your "average joe" TW players.

    TW Community, your complete lack of civility is driving me away. Everyone takes for granted that one person can say utterly demeaning things to another person because its OMG ANONYMOUS TEXT MESSAGES. Come on. I think one of the things that is affecting TW quality and population is the utter indifference players have towards actually building some sense of community here beyond their squads or special chats. We all have our friends and nemeses and that does keep things interesting. But TW Community, you seem to be taking it for granted that it is ok for people to treat others like absolute dirt.

    Here is a place where I do think that TW staff and <er>s and <zh>s have dropped the ball completely. By simply ignoring this sort of rampant behavior you are not only encouraging this problem but are allowing the degradation of TW as a community. It is that community that you want to try and build just as much as you are trying to make cool new tilesets and ship settings and arenas, because it is that community that will ensure the longevity of this zone and this game. I guess I'm just trying to get some dialogue about this going and to vent my frustrations. I guess I just expect a little bit more from a gaming experience where we see a lot of the same players consistently.

    I'm sure a lot of you will be say something along the lines of "yeah well this is how things are and you are unrealistic in your expectations" or "apoc you are a weak minded idealogue" or "be very quiet you player who is new to trench wars" or "this is too long and I didn't read it because I'm an internet superstar" or "laugh out loud". To these, and similar comments that lack conversational merit, I imply something along the lines of "please go initiate sexual pleasure with yourself" or "attain puberty please" etc because this is what I think so I'm saying it.

    Yeah so in a nutshell, try and stop being complete douches to each other.

    Yours truly,

    Apocalypse WOW!

    P.S. Spastic, you guys should recruit Sarger because he is Icelandic and you are probably lacking in the Icelandic department.

    P.P.S. Up to this point I have a wordcount of 1416 which is probably a longer essay than most of you have ever written and thus implies that I am a gigantic nerd but that's ok because I'm happy with me.
    Last edited by Apocalypse WOW!; 06-28-2005, 10:08 PM.
    3:sarger> the expression on her face said "ez" but the "arms" said "IMPOSSIBLE"

    For some reason, this guy decided to post the entire wiki (or other) on pancakes. -Aquatiq

  • #2
    u werent a nerd until u decided to count the number of words.
    thread killer

    Also who changed to pw to Squadless, how am I supposed to fly the banner of sucking at the game

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    • #3
      er, so much to read but hey apoc im in the same page as u im also fustrated with tw... heck i even tried to move to another zone, stil lin the process :X
      TWLD Champion 2014
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      • #4
        The speed at which you guys posted witty retorts is astounding. Good show.
        3:sarger> the expression on her face said "ez" but the "arms" said "IMPOSSIBLE"

        For some reason, this guy decided to post the entire wiki (or other) on pancakes. -Aquatiq

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        • #5
          ur point...? gg ez newb
          Kyle G> Did you know theres bowling alleys in Noahs Ark?

          Mike Modano_09>I dunno....I dont watch Star Trek.

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          • #6
            probably one of the best post ive read on tw forums no joke :grin:
            Rigor> mastersword im thinking u, me and a bottle of crisco baby
            Mastersword> ROFL
            Mastersword> really?

            (TWDBot)>Your squad rating has just changed from 813 to 813, after losing the Javelin match vs dicE. You are #34 in TWJD - For detailed info go to

            #21 - Don't forget

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            • #7
              I read about halfway down until I realized that there was a lot more. In conclusion...

              \o
              Pandagirl!

              (ph)>12 is just right

              In the most dangerous game...warping will only prolong your defeat. ?go warpwars -Chao <ER>
              1:Chao <ER>> what the FUCK?
              1:Chao <ER>> I just adverted and no one came
              1:Chao <ER>> at all
              1:Mantra-Slider> chao
              1:Mantra-Slider> you are in the wrong arena
              Panda <ZH>> ?find chao <ER>
              Chao <ER> - hero

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              • #8
                Good post, Thors, I believe his point is that you're not funny.
                Only the loyal count.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Edify
                  u werent a nerd until u decided to count the number of words.
                  In Russia words counts you or as they put it in America, MS Word counts it for you.

                  Good post Apoc, indeed our beloved protectors are unappreciated.
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                  • #10
                    I read the whole thing, nice essay... But I highly doubt this will change anything... -_-

                    I have seen you play a long time ago, how come you only came to forums now?

                    Or is this a new "account"? and you had one before..
                    AcidBomber <ER> ^-^

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                    • #11
                      Sorry if I like being on Ajaxee's chat. I don't see why you would want to change what people do and find fun in this game. Most good warbird and javs do not ask to be in any ship in Base, most basers are too lazy and relaxed to care.. maybe it's the pubbers you're seeing. This is all over the internet, what do you expect? People being nice with the 100% anonymity this game offers? I think you're too dependent on the social side of this game, it's not that deep..complex or mentally stimulating. Take it for what it is and have fun.
                      Last edited by Kolar; 06-28-2005, 09:45 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Kolar, the thing I think is a problem is when people who are here to enjoy themselves and play the game are placed into a culture and community where being derogatory is the norm and is acceptable by the majority of players. Is it really so much to ask to be treated with a bit of respect in general?
                        3:sarger> the expression on her face said "ez" but the "arms" said "IMPOSSIBLE"

                        For some reason, this guy decided to post the entire wiki (or other) on pancakes. -Aquatiq

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Apocalypse WOW!
                          Kolar, the thing I think is a problem is when people who are here to enjoy themselves and play the game are placed into a culture and community where being derogatory is the norm and is acceptable by the majority of players. Is it really so much to ask to be treated with a bit of respect in general?
                          Over the internet? i'm sorry to say it but Yes. You're asking people to be nice, civil human beings. To them there's no reason to do so because there's no fear of someone verbally or physically harming them.

                          Edit: Acid, it's not about caring but I like to spell check most of them time so I don't develop poor english skills which I will need for school. The reason I do it after is because I'm rushing sometimes to get my ideas out.
                          Last edited by Kolar; 06-28-2005, 10:10 PM.

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                          • #14
                            @ Kolar

                            Anyways, what I noticed is that you edit your post 90% of the time...
                            Today, I read it before and after, and noticed the changes in grammar & spelling etc. ^^
                            You care that much? xD
                            AcidBomber <ER> ^-^

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                            • #15
                              I agree, sharks are sorely underrated. In pub aswell as base, I've come back from 2 week+ holidays to play in a hosted basing (like boki) and got put in as shark, simply because I've done it before. I remember seeing Woody EX and later Bloody Walls sharking it up in pub and its amazing the difference they can make to a team. There are other sharks like this but they are few, as most have moved away from pub. If people weren't so damn arrogant then they'd not fell the need to trash each other, in short, people need to cool down and take it like it is: a game. I also think that many of the basers who gave left pub for ?go base should come back to pub (newbs need role models) but thats just my opinion. The tking jav situation has improved slightly in pure pubs, but not much.

                              Originally posted by Disliked
                              Imagine a world without morals... it would be like the tw community
                              +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++

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