The New Weasel is Ridiculous

[Sarien]

Not to discourage you, but they've already been rehashed to death. Anybody that gave the slightest shit about fixing ship 6 could easily look through the multitudes of threads. Ideas aren't the hard part, try asking for people in control that are willing to listen. If any of them do, then you throw ideas.

[Theif of Time]

Theres TWPS now. But I can't really see enough people agreeing on one thing to get it under way. Compromise is not in everyones vocabulary.

[Cylor]

The sad part is no one of worth will even look at this thread when revising the weasel's settings.

[Theif of Time]

Why not? Just because its one in many... a great many...
But Kolar and Sarien ate the ones I see changing the weasel. And they're both looking at it.

EDIT: Thats meant to be 'are'... but I'll leave it.

[Rion.]

Rion and I used to circle around each other trying to get our thrust shots in a long time ago, before we went back to picking on the people that really deserve it. The levs.

I remember that... Those were the days.

Most of the old weasel players want their cloak/stealth back rather than the faster movement, Me included.

Signed.

I think the sheer speed of the ship is whats breaking it. I really wish we could get our non-draining stealth/cloak back. The way it used to be, so it stopped you recharging (almost - you'd get about 1 energy every 7 seconds IIRC), but didn't drain you, was perfect. The speed really should be dropped, and our un-gimped stealth/cloak given back.

Bullet speed is important. While I would quite like to keep thrust shooting, because before Weasel got screwed you had to really judge your energy right... But I'd be willing to lose that for a fix.

I don't think multifire is a problem, really. It does cost quite a bit more, and its uses are quite limited. I'd say multifire should be kept... And the cost seems reasonable as it is now.

Regarding ship size, I'm not sure. Having the small size is nice, but small size and fast speed is overpowered. The ship should be slower if it's smaller. Maybe if the size was increased to normal again, the current speed would be warranted.

As Kolar said, something needs to be focussed on, but right now, the Weasel is some kind of patchwork junkship.

I might be happy if the cloak/stealth drain was reduced, so you still got drained, but a good deal slower and the speed of the ship and its bullets was dropped a lot. Using uncloaked Weasel to slaughter Warbirds was fun for a while, but the reason I enjoyed doing that was to improve my life expectancy when I got caught without cloak. I'm not really sure what the ship is trying to be right now. It's certainly not a basing ship, or they'd probably keep the rep or at least the rocket.

Yes, the Weasel is a pub-only ship and I doubt that'll ever change. What I do want changing is that cloaking isn't so gimped. Screw the speed all you want, I don't want to be able to shoot as fast as a Warbird, I don't want to be able to boost so bloody fast. Christ, I'll even give up the small size. Just fix our cloaking. Please.

[Sarien]

But Kolar and Sarien are the ones I see changing the weasel. And they're both looking at it.

I have little influence and no power. Do I have ideas? Sure. I also honestly believe some of my ideas would fix a lot of things for a lot of people. But that means precisely two things in the long run. Jack and Shit.

[Kuukunen]

I don't think multifire is a problem, really. It does cost quite a bit more, and its uses are quite limited. I'd say multifire should be kept... And the cost seems reasonable as it is now.

Well, multi brings energy to 300, without multi to 400. In short: everyone uses multi.

I really don't know what the cloak is supposed to be. I thought it was supposed to be a ship you can use to sneak up on people who don't have a terr near. (I hate it in this use too, though.) If that's what it is, yes, small size could be ok to get through holes, but it shouldn't have thrust shooting, the bullets should be like 0 speed. Cloak+Stealth shouldn't be draining And the energy should be maybe reduced to 500 so terrs really COULD kill the cloakers. (Yea it might be too easy for terr to kill it then, but terrs have better things to do than killing cloakers.)

With some effort it could be made into a basing ship too. It could be used for cram breaking or something. (Sneaking in base from behind, forcing terr to move.)

At the moment the cloak is like a bit slower warbird that has multi and smaller size and cloak. Meaning it's used for fighting and if things get tough, it can cloak and run.

[Rion.]

That 100 energy does make quite a difference though. That said, you having brought that point up, it costs too little for Weasels to shoot now. With single-shot and no boost, you can put out 2 level 3 bullets pretty fast. Yes, this will leave you with no energy, but the Weasels other advantages (like being able to retreat through a wall) can negate this.

There are a lot of things that can be done to have a balanced cloaker.

Possible balancing modifications to the current Weasel settings:

Slower bullet speed

Slower recharge

Slower rotation

Make it so using both Cloak and Stealth does drain your energy, but at half the current rate

Make thrusting cost more energy

Make shooting cost more energy

Keep the small size, or make it larger and have a Repel

Keep thrust shot - But due to other factors (slower ship/bullet speed, slower recharge and higher thrusting and shooting cost), it's not as ridiculous as at present.

I think all of these things should be applied to the current Weasel. It'd be better than it is right now, anyway.

[Sarien]

Rion they don't have to go through all that.

Just reduce the bullet speed, switch cloaking/stealth to no drain, but make it so you only start with stealth, and need to green a cloak. Maybe reduce forward speed but absolutely not rotation speed. That is the biggest plus of the later settings. It's a little ship, not a stinking leviathan, it should be able to turn easily, even if it doesn't go so fast.

[Rion.]

Your ideas are sound, but I'd be willing to sacrifice all of that to have my cloaking ungimped... :crying:

[introvert]

Rion they don't have to go through all that.

Just reduce the bullet speed, switch cloaking/stealth to no drain, but make it so you only start with stealth, and need to green a cloak. Maybe reduce forward speed but absolutely not rotation speed. That is the biggest plus of the later settings. It's a little ship, not a stinking leviathan, it should be able to turn easily, even if it doesn't go so fast.

I like the greening idea, but what about starting with cloak and having to green stealth? I think that would keep much more of the focus on its close range cloaking tactics if you're trying to base in it and don't have the time to waste running around spawn looking for your cloak. I like the idea of not starting with stealth because that makes it a bit harder for the weasels who just fly around spawn cloaking duelers. However, I do suppose a lot of duelers have it coming, as they fly around spawn shooting anything that moves, including javs/terrs/etc. that are just trying to get into base. I think any other ideas that I would contribute have been covered much better than I could cover them.

[Theif of Time]

Maybe reduce forward speed but absolutely not rotation speed.

Remember there are two factors affecting forward speed:Thrust and max speed. Reduce max speed/increase thrust gives the weasel more maneuverability, at the cost of speed.
One Idea I had was keep current non-boost speeds as is, But decrease the boost max speed and increase boost thrust. This would give added manueverability at the expense of energy.

[Bigwig]

x has level 3 bullets, whys it need thrust shoot?

one of the x's big advantages since the size reduction has been lag. most terrs think they've hit the x at least once, moving in for the kill, only the x of course hasn't registered any energy reduction and just plain goes for the kill.

thats the 2 major problems as i see it.

[Theif of Time]

EDIT: Ignore this