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**Kolar** · 08-20-2005, 05:58 PM

TWD will be resetting sometime soon and Wbduel is also enough in my opinion. WBDuel is pretty open, captains are picked by calling it unlike ?go base. If it's league type play you're looking for then you will not find it at any Dueling arena or TWD. The only thing that keeps up the quility of these arenas to a small degree is the fact that it isn't automated or random.

**Barton** · 08-20-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Kolar

TWD will be resetting sometime soon and Wbduel is also enough in my opinion. WBDuel is pretty open, captains are picked by calling it unlike ?go base. If it's league type play you're looking for then you will not find it at any Dueling arena or TWD. The only thing that keeps up the quility of these arenas to a small degree is the fact that it isn't automated or random.

we need something like ?go javs but then for wbs

?go wbs ...

if i can get the support of staff on this i can fix all the stuff that is needed for it.

**hockeydude** · 08-20-2005, 10:16 PM

i dont think people would want an arena for wb's just to fly around and shoot thats why we have elim so people can play to win/practice... ?go javs is good becuase there are always 8+ people to keep it going i dont know if that could work with wbs

**all.your.base** · 08-20-2005, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by hockeydude

i dont think people would want an arena for wb's just to fly around and shoot thats why we have elim so people can play to win/practice... ?go javs is good becuase there are always 8+ people to keep it going i dont know if that could work with wbs

i disagree, people go to tryout arenas not to tryout but to play some quick wb, other then having to get wait until and elim or tourny is done. i think it'de be a good idea :annoyed:

**Kolar** · 08-21-2005, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Barton

we need something like ?go javs but then for wbs

?go wbs ...

if i can get the support of staff on this i can fix all the stuff that is needed for it.

I don't know what makes ?go javs special or good but having one big open arena for warbirds might not work out so well. There are a lot of dueling maps out there perfectly suitable so it wouldn't take a lot of work.

If you make the map and send it to 2D then it's done, you don't need much staff help. The only thing that may help is a News.txt or TW.org posting, moving a TWBot there and maybe one Advert which I can get done (I'm on ECT and have access to Zonerbot and Roboqueen...) if the map is up.

**Morroco** · 08-21-2005, 01:24 AM

This guy has a good idea, make it like a private arena or something so squads can get a warmup before a match or something.. Have it tested out for this coming TWL.. like you guys did that lagcheck system

**Charles Bronson** · 08-21-2005, 07:06 AM

There are some suggestions here about how to handle it, but I'm afraid some are missing the point. The wbduel arenas itself are a good principle, but the whole problem in my eyes is that it's not automated and it takes far too long to get a game going.

The way it goes in premier league practice arenas, there is a bot. If you want to be captain of the next game, you tell the bot !cap and he gives you a spot in a queue. Since there are about seven practice arenas and at normal times a few are used, you go to two arenas and tell the bot !cap. After that, you do what you want, and when the game is done in that arena you get a private message remotely that the game is done and that you are next in line to be captain of a freq.

You go to the arena, tell the bot !claim, and you are the captain of a freq. You don't pick people one after the other, you just tell four people that they come to freq 100, tell the bot !start and the game starts. As captain you have the power to !remove people you do not want to play, so you can choose your own players quite quickly. This way you can practice with your squad against a bunch of others if you want to, or some of your squad and some others.

The principle of wbduel is there, it just need to be automated so you can get some practice in league-style gameplay, and not just practice your aim in elim or tourney.

Regards,
Charles Bronson

Ps. while we're on the subject, can any staff explain why ?go base isn't automated and why you have to pick one at a time?

**Dabram** · 08-21-2005, 09:41 AM

the problem with tw is that as biggest zone you also have the biggest group of newbies who with an automated bot will be capping constantly, which results in utter ridicilous teams most of the time. although if u have plenty arenas with automated bots for 5v5 dueling, it could work fine. definately wouldn't work for ?go base though.

(hi charles!)

**Escalate** · 08-21-2005, 10:53 AM

i agree with charles, both the amount of things that are currently automated and the way things are being automated have serious potential for improvement.

**code** · 08-21-2005, 11:43 AM

I'd have to agree with Charles, I think an automated 4v4/5v5 dueling system would be great. On the other hand I can also see bram's point of view, and agree that there would have to be at least 5 arena's at peak times.

I know that this would be a huge undertaking for any staff member to coordinate and/or program the bots for the operation. Seeing as you'd probably want to cover arean's for wb 4v4/5v5, jav 4v4/5v5 and spid 4v4/5v5 since those are the current TWD ladder setups - TWDD,TWJD,TWSD.

I don't think its a question of is this system worth it, I think its more of a question of who's gonna program it, coordinate it and set it up? People have some great idea's all the time, this being probably one I'd support the most.

I could suggest an easy route to the staff and bot programmers of wbduel and javduel that might put a taste of sugar in a sweet tooth's mouth but wouldn't be the ultimate package. That is if the wbduel and javduel bot's we're also converted to support a spidduel arena then automated to run all the time and cloned for at least 3 arena's a piece.

**Jones** · 08-21-2005, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Charles Bronson

Hello,

Why does Trench Wars not have any kind of automated system where random people can start a 4v4 or 5v5 team game for practice? There is wbduel ofcourse, but this system isn't automated and not just everyone can start practicing.

For years there has been a system in premier leagues for practicing the game the way it is being played in leagues, far before bots even. And I'm sure configuring some bots for the task can't be too complicated, since they have it in premier leagues and we even have a tourneybot in Trench Wars.

I think a lot of people would have benefit by, and very much welcome, an automatic system where they can practice teaming without having to find squaddies that want or are available to play, without having to find an opponent to play, and without having to be afraid to lose points on the ladder. Everyone could practice their skills they need to use in a league game. We can all agree that playing elim or pub all the time doesn't quite do it, league games are a very different and much more difficult type of game.

Thanks for any (serious) response to my message from both players and staff.

Kind regards,
Charles Bronson

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Good idea. We need more teamprac arenas.

**Charles Bronson** · 08-21-2005, 03:16 PM

I don't think there's gonna be a real problem with newbies bothering you in the game. At least, if you think about newbies who can actually screw a game up. If you talk about newbies you haven't played a lot, ofcourse they are going to want to play, but nothing's wrong with that. As long as they try.

The system they have in premier, you don't have to use !pick or some command to get players on your freq, players can just hop in and type =100 or =200. Captains however, are in the lead of their freq so they can kick people off their freq if they wish to. Ofcourse, people in premier don't just jump onto freqs in prac if a new one starts, because they know how the system works. I guess the average Trench Wars population may be a little bit less "professional", but I'm sure it can work just as well in TW as it does in premier.

Furthermore, bot programming shouldn't be such a problem. Probably the pracbots in premier need to be adjusted a tad bit to TW, but essentially the system is the same. The only problem I could think of is that you need a lot of arenas, like code said. You would need at least two spider arenas and probably four wb/jav arenas.

Any staff that could comment in this thread?

Regards,
Charles Bronson

Ps. hey dabram!

**Marduke** · 08-21-2005, 03:57 PM

---Charles Bronson
The only problem I could think of is that you need a lot of arenas, like code said. You would need at least two spider arenas and probably four wb/jav arenas.
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1 Solution for this is to have each of the leagues arenas ganged up on 1 basic map. Then just add a command to the bot; !gamemode 1

!gamemode 1 ; would be twdd style game
!gamemode 2 ; twjd style game
...etc

This way you would need less arenas/bots for practice.

Anyhow, automated practice arenas is a good idea.

Ultimately, its upto staff if they want this or the players really wanting this to help out.

**Kuukunen** · 08-21-2005, 05:21 PM

Ok, I know I haven't played wbduel too much, but why the hell is it "not enough"? And if you're saying you have 9 other guys and you want to have 5v5 against each others, just ?go #somewhere

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