In Protest of Ship Limits in Pure Pub

[Sarien]

Ahahhaha, good luck with this one. You and I both fucking know the only reason levs fire at flagrooms is because they're pussy fucking rec and bounty whores who also jizz themselves anytime they get a 3fer, they want the biggest OMGOMGOM x-fer they can get, never will they fucking stop trying to ruin basing and so forever they shall have to be done away with in ANY arena where basing is the focus.

I want to say that I read this paragraph and said "Awesome." out loud.

[Apocalypse WOW!]

GO THERE GO THERE GO THERE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PUB WITH YOUR SHIT SHOOTING DONT COME BAC GO THERE GO THERE GO THERE GO THERE THE ARENAS ARE STILL FUCKING THERE AND WAITING FOR YOUR SUB PAR JAVELIN FLYING FAGGOT ASS GO THERE GO THERE GO THERE GO THERE GO THERE

My sentiments exactly.

I played with the 3 jav limits and I really enjoyed myself. It also seemed that just about everyone else in the arena was really enjoying themselves as well with the limit.

The flagroom battles were much more exciting and the number of aggressive shark players had gone up. Usually when I play pure pub I play for about 5 minutes and then get fed up with all the javs, on my team and on the enemy team that just do the same goddamn retarded shots and leave.

You say there are "basing elites" or whatever and that there's a wedge between base players and regular pubbers. THATS BECAUSE A BASE PLAYER DOESNT WANT TO DEAL WITH 20 FUCKING NEWB JAVS doing the SAME FUCKING THING. I enjoyed the jav limit and hope it becomes more permanent. If you want to do your shitty jav shots, go to another pub. I''m pretty sure that there'll be 36 players who would love to play without them despite all this grandstanding from "pub purists." Christ just start arguing to get the blocks removed and remove attach limits for terrs so we can have all sorts of wacky levi fun in pub again.

I'd also suggest putting a usage limit on javs in pub, like 500 hours or something to get to jav.

[Richard Creager]

And I can't believe you think we should divert our energies to improving the one pub that's already supposedly better than the rest when you made it abundantly clear that it's the other arenas that need more work.

No, I'm saying DO BOTH. Keep the good fucking pub the way it was and no longer is (thanks a fucking bunch you goddamn ingrate motherfuckers) while YOUUUUUUUUUUUU who is so goddamn worried about all 5 of the other pubs do this fix you want to THEM.

The increase of Jav TKs in other pubs is based on the exact same thing with levis when pure pubs were first created. Taking the pure pubs out of the equation, the average number of levis in the remaining arenas increased.

I fail to see why I should care. How many times do I have to tell you as long as they aren't in my fucking arena I am happy, and ONLY then.

The smaller arena size doesn't have to be as drastic as people think I'm suggesting. I'm not asking for population sizes of 16 (as in a traditional 8 vs 8 base game) but closer to 25. There's still plenty of people to base with. You proposed larger arena sizes, but that will only increase the number of javs in an arena and you'll have two results: more TKs from javs; or a much lower ratio of people in each pub that is basing. That latter result will come because having more people encourages more spawning.

Increasing the size does not increase the number of javs in a jav locked arena. The other pubs wouldn't get bigger than 36 so how the hell could there possibly be more javs there.

As for you never hearing or reading about any of my suggestions before, I've been pushing these in multiple threads since CoT's forums. Every time there's been a thread about pubs or about improving pure pubs, every time there's been a thread about setting changes, or ship limits or restrictions, I've repeated my alternatives. You don't seem to be able to recall any of them, because you haven't read them and don't intend to read them. That's fine. But get off your damn horse preaching about me complaining and whining but never showing any ideas of my own. If you haven't read them that's your problem. Don't turn that around on to me now. You basically challenged me to put up or shut up, and now that I've shown I've been putting them up for years, you say it's my fault that you've never read them?

Yeah I told you to put up because IVE NEVER READ YOUR SHIT BEFORE, I don't know where it is and I wasn't about to look for it. I never said you don't pull out wacky shit, what I said is you have NEVER decided on which of these crazy ideas you fully believe the pubs should be let alone how you feel about that matter AT THE CURRENT DATE and not from thread xyz 6 years ago on a dead forum when the settings were different and the zone situation vastly more different TODAY than it was then, and THIS is why and most importantly WHAT I told you to tell me NOW. Otherwise, how the fuck was I supposed to know what exactly it is you think could possibly be better than javlimit?

I have no intention of "killing pub 0". Quite the contrary, I've also always maintained that any improvements in pure pubs should be expanded to all pubs, even if I disagree with them. As Kolar said, they're intended to be tests for other pubs. But it's been ages since pure pubs have been created and we have yet to see the benefits expanded across to the other pubs. There's no trickling-down of improvements. Instead, all the other pubs get is an overflow of bilge.

Supporting this protest has killed off one of the biggest and best developments in that arena since timing that pub, but I agree, purepub settings should be distributed to the rest of them, however all these little bitch ass jav and lev wannabes/players will bark and howl about how pubs are supposed to be public. The pubs aren't public, the pubs are shit and alway HAVE BEEN shit (and also this negates the "other pubs suck more because more javs" whine, who the fuck cares if something that is fucking garbage to begin with burns faster hotter and stinkier?), there is no necessity to maintain this freedom of shipchoice there because it is the direct cause of these places being a very undesireable place to play to begin with. Only forcing the 2 or 7 levs left in these arena permanently will be able to bring to anything near what pub0 or even pub1/2 is to the players of this zone AS A WHOLE (whole meaning only including those who matter, levs and javs, go the fuck to EG or something). Hell maybe one day we can have levi and jav locks on all the arenas and they too can hold the same playability value as the first two and we can watch as they each one stays camped at the playerlimit for days at a time with some of the most intense basing action going on in each of them, but seeing how much pussy whining faggotry there has been over the best implemented idea in a long time I guess it will not happen, well that is the unfortunality of this zone and its population I guess.

[Richard Creager]

I think a usage req for a jav could work, maybe a minimum join date, anything to keep rookies out of high traveling speed large sized radius throwing ships.

[Izor]

lol, tk is the same person who thought that maybe we should add more 1 tile ships to pub, so pardon him if hes a bit of a dipshit

[Troll King]

Other people thought that a mini-shark would open up many more gameplay opportunities, but I made it clear in that thread that none of those ideas were serious proposals but a way to generate what-if ideas. I don't see many other people coming up with ideas beyond adding more restictions to pure pubs and letting regular pubs burn. People need to start thinking up newer progressive ideas rather than relying on stopgaps.

As for RC's question of why he should care about the arenas that he isn't in, the answer is fairly simple. It's about improving the zone as a whole. The whole "the other pubs can rot for all I care" is a self-perpetuating problem. We don't care because we don't want to care. We only react when the symptoms of those problems intrude onto the little patch of paradise people call pure pub. That approach has only made pubs worse and worse. It's time to stem the bleeding.

[genocidal]

I'm glad Richard speaks for entire pub player-base.

[Richard Creager]

Like I said in my last post troll hard, it is fine to decide to fix the other pubs (but personally I do not see this being possible, which is another reason why I will never care about them) so long as the first one is not killed off how it was by it, lowering arena sizes will do this, suggesting jav and lev limits be lifted because of worrying about all those garbage players being collected into the other pubs DOES this. Howabout instead of protesting something good because all the bad it eliminates is moved over, live with it, support it so that in the future more ideas about improvements will come along and maybe even *GASP* be supported by staff with incrementally smaller reaction times. Fucking telling them to undo a good thing only confuses them and sets back the only place there is to play. LOL? Let's quickly have zero places to play instead of GIVING one SOME TIME simply because not all of them are playable? LO(GICA)L!

Genocidal, if I spoke for all of the pub players we would still have the sweet jav limit instead of back to tk madness. Your head, out of your own ass plase?

[Troll King]

I'm not asking for them to undo it. The only problem I have with this change is that it only affects the one arena. If they do something like this it has to be across the board. Or even better, let's expand the last change they made, the pure pub settings, across all pubs before we think about tweaking it a little. Surely you would agree that change had a better effect on basing than the jav limit would. It's easy to say "let's give the jav limit some time" but what happens next? Will it just remain in effect in the pure pub? We've given pure pubs plenty of time but have we seen it expanded to improve all pubs?

What I'm complaining about is this is too narrow a focus, yet this is the only way staff has been approaching pubs. The concensus seems to be that the pure pubs are much better than the regular pub settings. If that's the case, then by all means, let's work on expanding that first. If what we're going to do however is to create just one ideal pub and let the rest degrade even farther, then I have an issue with that.

It's not that I don't support this change, it's staff's philosophy of how to go about improving things that I don't support. They need to start doing things that affect all pubs if they do anything at all. Tinkering around with just the pure pubs is doing a half-assed job. If they want to improve pubs, they have to go all the way.

[genocidal]

So you're saying, TK, that removing levis completely from the game (EXCEPT LEVIWARS!) and severely limiting javs is a good thing?

[Fluffz]

see, you 2 are the prime example why a ideal pub can not exist. the best you can ever get is an area where everyone gets what he wants (in this case pure pub and pub17) and something in between(which doesnt exist jet, but should be made.) however no freaking jav has any right to demand the unlimited javs back in pure pub, because most of them are not better than the average levi player. just like no pubber (thats u TK) has no right to suggest changes to the fun to play levi.
TK should stick to pure pub if he is sick of too much levis/javs, and gen should go to pub17 its obvious he doesnt want to flag.

we need more pub bots, with lesser restrictions as the pubnumber goes up. also i have nothing against levis, they would be great in base too, their number and newbieness is and always was the only problem. very similar to the jav these days

this system gets you what you deserve, because this whole problem would not exist if you would play all ships the same ammount of time. but, like za gophar said - and he is not alone with that - he comes to pub to jav because he only get spider in ?go base. those people would never spider in pub because they could do it in base just alike. meanwhile in pub you cant expect a random spider to sit in line when 5 javs who didnt get picked in ?go base aim at him trough a hole. so we have so called pros in jav owning the shit out of pub newbie spiders, guess what ship they will never use again? fu pretending to care about pubs or newbies. its not like spider/wb/lanc/etc is not fun, it just is o fun if you get sniped/tked all the time.
same goes for the LTs, if you cant get your head out of your ass and LT 24/7 the other guys will one day raise their voice and say, hey wait a second, we dont want levis anymore, fuck them and give us a levi free pub. i cant follow the logic of anyone saying pubs got worse, because either you play in the levi free pub and be happy about it or you play too much LT in the ones where all the LTs cause shitty gameplay. this solution might seem radical but it is totaly fair. or substitute levi with jav.

and to get newbies out of this disaster, like we care about them, you could use an enter message like: hey, sup? use esc-a to show a list of all areas in this zone, the lower your pub number the more flag based the gameplay is. also have a look at ?go <random area of this week>

however, we need more bots which are not that radical, and allow 1, 2, 3 levis, and 3, 4, 5 javs /pub. 1st with flagwarp/no priv freqs, 2nd flagwarp/priv freq no levi or jav on a priv freq, 3rd no flagwarp/priv freq, no levi on a private freq. levis just like javs get switched at 2 tks/5 mins and have their spot taken away/get 20 bounty to attach again

and there is your solution, minus the repel for cloaks and a useful and hostile tk policy/bot

[Troll King]

First I get accused of being too pro-levi and now I'm being accused of being too anti-levi when the fact is that I've been making proposals that would be some sort of common ground to improve basing yet let levis have a role.

[Richard Creager]

But you haven't given them a role, you never figured out what could possibly give them something to do besides try to get x-fers because there is nothing else they would rather do, as I TOLD YOU in my last post.

[paradise!]

christ everyone who wants to bitch about the new settings, just ?go base. fuck this is pub not some organized shit, its meant to be the way it is ppl tking, its impossible to stop that junk, its like stopping someone from entering or something, its meant to be for everyone including noobs,

Now in conclusion all u basers who want to practice basing go base, everyone goes to pub for fun not for ne shit like "terr training".

[Dr. Snyder]

No ship restrictions... They ARE BAD.

Javs have easy to exploit weaknesses, so short of tking I suggest we fly spider terrs to roof in order to put the campers in their place.

As for Tking, we must accept it, kinda like MG CTF does....

Long live freedom of SHIP CHOICE!!